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12-13-2020, 04:18 AM #726Registered User
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I’m almost in the same boat - low volume ankles and narrow feet. I ski in kryptons in 24.
I tried to use salomon MTN lab in 25 but that didn’t work - touring was good, skiing was somewhat acceptable, but not the level I used to.
Long story short - now I have Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD in 24.5 for touring (they almost felt the same as Tecnica Zero G on foot) and Intuition Tour Wrap 25 (boot fitter chose such size, while intuition still recommends to size down for that liner)
And it’s awesome. I used it on 2week trip as a crossover boot and hadn’t had any problems skiing it inbounds. I tried my krypton wrap liners inside of atomic shell - I won’t make such mistake in future) it could be ok for skiing, but I would feel miserable after tour in them. And I can’t even fit my foot wearing smartwool light inside my kryptons, while I have no problems of doing same with atomics.
What I’m trying to say - if you can try tecnica downsized - try it with stock liner. And talk to a boot fitter about that path - 27.5 shell +28 tour wrap liner.
My experience so far - heel hold is on level with kryptons, toes have much more room to wiggle inside a boot, I don’t have black nails after touring. I use 24.5 shell (shell fit is less than 15mm) and Tour wrap 25. Also I use them with sidas custom footbeds. And when I using the thinnest socks - I add nordica heel retainers. I haven’t experienced any blisters yet)
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12-17-2020, 07:55 PM #727
Liners in my 26.5-27 F1s are just about dead. Anyone know if a 26 or 27 Pro Tour is a better fit?
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01-05-2021, 10:33 PM #728
Anyone have any tips for molding Intuition liners in Maestrale/Gea boots? I have done the oven method many times but can't imagine getting the liner back into one of these boots when it is soft. Rice method also not really working--pretty small boots and the rice sock just won't sink past the cuff and into the clog no matter how much I smack it around. Turkey bags and boiling water my only option?
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01-05-2021, 11:47 PM #729Registered User
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01-06-2021, 09:06 AM #730
Yeah, and have never been able to get the liner in boot while on my foot in these boots so have been reluctant to try the oven. Even tried to practice with some silicone grease but no luck.
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01-06-2021, 10:58 PM #731
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01-07-2021, 08:50 PM #732
Found I was able to get the oven method (liner on foot, then in boot) to work after removing the bolts that hold the plastic boot tongue on. I also found it was easier to get foot + liner in while in ski mode, with a little silicone lube. Hope that helps somebody.
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01-08-2021, 09:37 AM #733
It should stretch enough if it's a new liner. Definitely use toe caps which will be very uncomfortable, and don't overbake. If you overbake, they shrink and then can't be stretched back. You could also try just heat gunning the toe area to get length if they feel good otherwise.
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01-08-2021, 11:50 AM #734
Taking into account what I've read here, and what I'm trying to accomplish, I got a Power Wrap 29 to try and squeeze into my 28.5 Tecnica Zero Gs. Without baking yet, dry run, it took about 3 tries for me to get it to sit in the shell with no big wrinkles at the heel. It does take up a lot more room than the stock liner, I was able to slip my foot in with a lot of effort, and also get the top buckles done up with significant effort.
I've baked at home before, but am a little apprehensive about trying to squeeze such a tight fit with a floppy hot liner. Can anyone advise whether it'll be easier than with the cold liner? Advice?that's all i can think of, but i'm sure there's something else...
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01-08-2021, 12:00 PM #735Registered User
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YOU DO need 2 people
I 've heard putting the liner in a big palstic bag before trying to get it in the boot might help with getting it in ?
this does not mean baking the liner in the bag BTW
I'm a chicken so for buying/baking I paid Tom at intuition, it was 50 $ but it was worth it for a perfect job
edit: I went back to see Tom on a layover from Niseko expecting to drop more coin on a new pair pwrwraps and he said I didnt need them just a rebake cuz i was swapping between a mercury to Vulcan shell. I been in that liner since 2012 so amortising the $$$ cost over 7 years it was worth paying for the bestLast edited by XXX-er; 01-08-2021 at 01:22 PM.
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01-08-2021, 01:07 PM #736
I'm a fan of using the oven over the rice bag or hot air blower. With the oven you get the inside and outside of the liner molded to your foot and to the boot shell. For the oven method its worth finding an knowledgeable set of hands to help you get the boots opened up and liners>footbed>feet inserted into the boots quickly so they go in correctly aligned and not mashed funny. IMHO worth paying for getting it done correctly with someone who has done it successfully many times before.
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01-08-2021, 01:28 PM #737
I did my tour wraps in sauna. Heated it to 80c. Liner in there as long it was nice and soft, but not too mushy. Very easy job and probably impossible to over heat if you check them often enough. Very good result and so easy.
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01-09-2021, 10:36 PM #738Registered User
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01-10-2021, 10:53 AM #740I Like Snow
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Tips for getting a liner into tight or awkward boots:
Don’t bake the liner so it is hot and floppy. That is too hot. If I think I am going to have any issues getting the foot and liner in the boot, I have been heating the liner up on a heat stack so it is just the inside of the liner getting the bulk of the heat. This accomplished a few things. It keeps the outside of the liner a little stiffer and less likely to snag and it gets the inside quite warm without over cooking the entire liner. Less likely to shrink, snag, or wrinkle. There will be enough heat in the system to mold the outside of the liner. In 15 minutes of trying on a cold Dreamliner liner in a dobermann, all the hardware and ankle shape was moulded into the outside of the liner.
Use a boot spreader if you have access to one. If not, have someone spread the lower shell for you.
Dry fit the liner to see where the tough angles are and determine the method you will put them on from there. Liner on foot vs liner in boot. If needed, use bags to create less friction, either on the liner or on your foot.
If you have a really tight shell fit, use a minimal toe cap to get the bulk of the molding done. After molding, heat the toe with a heat gun and resold with a bigger toe cap to get more toe room. Don’t try and squeeze too much in at once.
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01-10-2021, 02:16 PM #741Registered User
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Hi all,
I am looking to getting either Luxury or Pro Tour liners for my Technica Zero G Tour Pros..
I historically was super interested in the Pro Tours but noticed almost all guides that I had a pleasure skiing with in BC last year were running Luxury liners despite having to skin a lot.
I'm a big, aggressive skier, but do no jumps / major drops and my skiing in these boots is 98% backcountry touring and so I was initially interested in the Pro Tours..
A) Any reason why the Luxury liner would be a better choice?
B) Anything else I should consider?
C) Anyone has experience / feedback on running either in a Zero G Tour Pro?
Thank you!
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01-10-2021, 02:38 PM #742
Really good points, GoldenBC.
I'd add a couple. If you're putting a wrap in a 2-piece shell, it helps to heat the shell for 4-5 minutes (especially if you are doing this without a helper).
To me, a "tight" shellfit for medium or high volume Intuitions is 12-15mm. This used to mean taping the footbed to the foot, putting the liner on the foot, and using a plastic bag and/or silicone spray to make sure you get the liner in without distortion, all a pain in the ass.
Lately I've taken to using the Alpine Boot Horn (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1) and the results have been excellent. Just put the footbed in the hot liner, put liner in boot, and the boot horn keeps the heel from dragging the liner down and wrinkling it. You do need to pull the tongue (if there is one) up, and I have the customer put all their weight on the foot being inserted and lean forward so I can reef on the back of the cuff before buckling . . .
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01-10-2021, 02:43 PM #743
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01-10-2021, 02:48 PM #744
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01-10-2021, 04:02 PM #745
Intuition liners
I’ve toured a lot in Luxury liners but also the plug wrap and old Alpine and power wrap. Luxury is to me more supportive and comfortable than the pro tour liner, but less cuff mobility as GregL said. They are in between the Pro Tour and the super stiff pro/plug wrap type liners IMO.
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01-11-2021, 02:37 AM #746Registered User
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I've been wandering around in stock liners for 3 years now and never had problems with mobility, but I am definitely looking for comfort.. do you guys think ROM in Luxury might be similar to the Stock Liner? Thanks!
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01-11-2021, 04:24 AM #747
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01-21-2021, 08:09 PM #748
Looking for some fit advice for my wife. She measures 24.5-25 (w's 8.5 shoe), but has a very low volume foot, so we moved her into a 23.5 Lange xt90lv. The toe box had to be punched for length and height to get just enough room for her toes. She has footbed heaters, a 1/4" foam laminated to the boot board and 5mm neoprene laminated to the tongue, plus a pair of ankle pads on both feet. The ankle pads keep her heel in place, but also cause additional pressure that she's not stoked about.
Would a Dreamliner HV or Luxury HV be adequate or overkill to take up the excess space around the foot and lock the heel down without causing excess pressure points? Sizing is odd in this case because her fit is certainly a "performance" fit in terms of length. Intuition says to round down on the Dreamliner and round-up on the Luxury.
I'll try to get a scan of her foot tonight with gregL's new foot scan app, maybe that will help diagnose the issues we're having.
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01-21-2021, 10:09 PM #749
Intuition liners
Not sure if this helps but have a pair of brand new Dreamliner MV in a 25.0 from the group buy last year. Seem a bit too big, but figured I’d offer.
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01-21-2021, 10:12 PM #750
How much are the group buy pairs going for?
I have a brand new, never cooked pair of powerwrap liners in a 24, I want to be sure I am pricing them fairly.Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident
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