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  1. 01-21-2009, 03:11 PM #1
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    starting a ski area on Forest Service land

    So what is the procedure?

    What permits/leases do you need to get?

    What legal hoops do you need to jump through?

    Anyone have a comprehensive site I could look to for edjamacation on the subject?

    Guessing Brill would be the guy to talk to....
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    Brill would probably be a good starting point.
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    Silverton is on BLM not FS. - and the only one I believe. Whole different ball game.

    Google Adam's Rib ski area proposal.
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    I did find this which is a pretty interesting read:

    http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/lawrev...8_1/03_FMS.htm
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    We don't run a resort and the land we lease for each hut is maybe 8-10 acres and the permitting process can be extensive, expensive, drawn-out and offers no gaurantee of success. I would imagine something as big as a ski resort would be equally extensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Witherspoon View Post
    Let me know when you pick a spot. I'll be glad to help you out with community involvement.
    I'll hire you to run the bulldozer.
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    Owning the land where the base area will be is a very, very good idea.
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    Yeah, how else can you sell overpriced real estate?
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    How you gonna pay insurance, wages, and ifrastructure costs with lift ticket sales, unless it is a 'silverton' model?
    Besides, if the FS owns the land where the Base area is, you will need a NEPA every time you want to move a parking cone. (my real point)
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    Ask some soulless jackass sitting on I-70- he he

    Kirkwood is on USFS land- its leased


    a little insight on starting a resort

    http://www.jumboglacierresort.com/outline/summary.html

    sounds annoying to me
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    More real estate oriented but good background

    http://www.friendsofwolfcreek.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    How you gonna pay insurance, wages, and ifrastructure costs with lift ticket sales
    I don't know, but none of the four ski areas closest to here (Snowbowl, Lost Trail, Discovery, Lookout) have private real estate at the base area. And none of them even have lodging, unless you count 8 units at the Bowl.
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    However, I am pretty sure their development costs were pennies on the dollar compared to what it will cost to get an FS exclusion permit today. (In other words, grandfathered) I could be wrong, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Witherspoon View Post
    Let me know when you pick a spot. I'll be glad to help you out with community involvement.
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    I'll hire you to run the bulldozer.
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    I've looked into this on a number of occasions. I think doing something non-profit, keep structures simple and to a minimum, and have no lodging/real estate. The closest thing I can come up with is like the club fields in NZ.

    Always willing to throw in a helping hand if you got something going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankZappa View Post
    Google Adam's Rib ski area proposal.
    linky = http://www.hcn.org/issues/110/3459

    cliff's notes = focus on the skiing not the hotels/restaurants
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    Don't forget the $$$ you will need for lawyers to battle the inevitable lawsuits from the Sierra Club and their ilk.
    (Don't get me wrong, I encourage you to look into this, it's just gonna be a lot harder in today's environment than in the fifties/sixties)
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    when was the last time a new resort was approved by the USFS? I can remember a proposal in the early 90's for Cameron? (Cottonwood?) Pass that went nowhere. NEPA on something that big would be likely be a decade or better I would think. Look at how long it has taken CBMR to get their Snodgrass proposal off the ground. Not saying it could not be done...just saying...
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    Let's see, Tamarack was pretty recent. Whoops, had to move to state land as USFS lease wasn't working out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
    when was the last time a new resort was approved by the USFS? I can remember a proposal in the early 90's for Cameron? (Cottonwood?) Pass that went nowhere. NEPA on something that big would be likely be a decade or better I would think. Look at how long it has taken CBMR to get their Snodgrass proposal off the ground. Not saying it could not be done...just saying...
    Catamount? With Jerry Blann in charge in the 90s....

    Then the funding disappeared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concussed View Post
    Catamount? With Jerry Blann in charge in the 90s....

    Then the funding disappeared.
    I just cant remember the details but when I was in college I was living in Ft. Collins for school and then Buena Vista in the summer and I remember that one of the towns was dealing with a ski area proposal at the time...can't remember which town though...
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    Ask that guy who built his own lift between Squaw and Alpine how it's going.

    IIRC, it's even on private land...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
    when was the last time a new resort was approved by the USFS?
    Blacktail Mountain in Montana, 1998ish, AFAIK.
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