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    Quote Originally Posted by MT View Post
    Snowbowl seems to invoke a sense of blind loyalty to the hill that I've never seen manifested to that level anywhere else. Do you think there is a tipping point, and the clientele will shift their perspective to be more critical of the mountain operations, or is Snowbowl infallible in their eyes?
    I don't think anyone seriously defends the way the Bowl is run. But people definitely defend the Bowl.

    I won't even do that but I will still ski there because it's where I can ski before work. Or for 3 hours on a Sunday.

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    Yes they do and Rasputin is one.

    Is that a pic of the fray? Have they taken the chairs off?
    No longer stuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Just an uneducated guess.

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    Just saw an ad for lookout talking about their new chair that you can actually go ride right now and it made me chuckle.

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    ^^^rumor is TV mTN chair loads public Friday afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    But people definitely defend the Bowl.
    Honest question: what about that place is worthy of defending, aside from its proximity/convenience for a captive audience to a "major population" center in this portion of the state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT View Post
    Honest question: what about that place is worthy of defending, aside from its proximity/convenience for a captive audience to a "major population" center in this portion of the state?
    # of available steep tracks/chairlift capacity is the only one i can think of objectively, but it could be higher and in better snow if Snowbowl had its shit together and got a chairlift into Jenny Lake area as well.

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    Trump love = Snowbowl love

    The more fucked up it is, the more people love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordbird View Post
    if Snowbowl had its shit together and got a chairlift into Jenny Lake area as well.
    Jenny Bowl is almost entirely within the Wilderness area, so that ship sailed in 1980.

    https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/lolo...a/?recid=10277

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT View Post
    Honest question: what about that place is worthy of defending, aside from its proximity/convenience for a captive audience to a "major population" center in this portion of the state?
    The Last Run Inn is pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT View Post
    Honest question: what about that place is worthy of defending, aside from its proximity/convenience for a captive audience to a "major population" center in this portion of the state?
    At the risk of further irritating those irritated, the terrain is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordbird View Post
    ...but it could be higher and in better snow if Snowbowl had its shit together and got a chairlift into Jenny Lake area as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    Jenny Bowl is almost entirely within the Wilderness area, so that ship sailed in 1980.

    https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/lolo...a/?recid=10277
    Almost seems like their only other option at this time would be to go radical and make a deal with the Indian reservation. A chairlift in that northwestern bowl (name?) would be $$$ on a good season, and there are logging roads that go up quite far. But that requires competence and tact far beyond what the bowl is currently capable of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    the terrain is good.
    Yep. That's the only reason to defend the bowl, it's really fun terrain in the East and West Bowls. And IMO, doing 2,600-feet vertical bowl laps through that terrain (capped by the outrun) is the most strenuous stretch of skiing in Montana. Anybody wants to name me a contender, I'd love to hear it. You can ski more vert at places like Big Sky, but it's not as taxing, especially if you go top to bottom nonstop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    At the risk of further irritating those irritated, the terrain is good.
    True, although it's almost entirely south facing.

    I think Snowbowl might have the distinction of being the southernmost ski area with a primarily south facing aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    True, although it's almost entirely south facing.

    I think Snowbowl might have the distinction of being the southernmost ski area with a primarily south facing aspect.
    I'd argue that Big Mountain is a close second.

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    The bar is sweet. The terrain is not bad. If it snows a lot you can ski 2000+ feet of powder and glades.
    South facing aspect can make it weird in the spring. Up to 500 feet of icy moguls where all the runs come together after all that turning and burning thru the trees fucking hurts.
    Soup is great tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Just an uneducated guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    True, although it's almost entirely south facing.

    I think Snowbowl might have the distinction of being the southernmost ski area with a primarily south facing aspect.
    That affects the snow quality, but that's kind of a different argument than the actual terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahman View Post
    That affects the snow quality, but that's kind of a different argument than the actual terrain.
    ^This. Although, yeah, one could argue terrain implies aspect, but I'll make that distinction.

    I always had a blast at Snowbowl bitd, when it dumps, it's as good as anywhere. Condolences for the mgmt., have a bloody mary (they were legendary in the 70s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahman View Post
    IMO, doing 2,600-feet vertical bowl laps through that terrain (capped by the outrun) is the most strenuous stretch of skiing in Montana.
    This is both the best and worst part of the Bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S_jenks View Post
    Almost seems like their only other option at this time would be to go radical and make a deal with the Indian reservation. A chairlift in that northwestern bowl (name?) would be $$$ on a good season, and there are logging roads that go up quite far. But that requires competence and tact far beyond what the bowl is currently capable of.
    It's easier to expand into FS land for an existing area than it is to build a new one. See lookout's st. regis expansion(which probably moves the terrain available above that of snowbowl, now that near side country of st. regis, the shoulder, becomes super lappable).

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    Quote Originally Posted by S_jenks View Post
    I'd argue that Big Mountain is a close second.
    Definitely.

    Which is why I'm glad it's foggy there 99.5% of the time. In my experience, Snowbowl gets a lot more sun. Although the snow staying better at Big Mtn. doesn't really make up for the generally meh-ish terrain.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeahman View Post
    That affects the snow quality, but that's kind of a different argument than the actual terrain.
    Sure. I just get less excited about good terrain when the snow quality is frequently a crusty mess. But to be sure, on a storm day, Snowbowl has some of the best skiing in the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordbird View Post
    It's easier to expand into FS land for an existing area than it is to build a new one. See lookout's st. regis expansion(which probably moves the terrain available above that of snowbowl, now that near side country of st. regis, the shoulder, becomes super lappable).
    Not sure if there is a disconnect here, but there is literally no additional Forest Service land around Snowbowl that is both developable and higher elevation that Lavelle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    Not sure if there is a disconnect here, but there is literally no additional Forest Service land around Snowbowl that is both developable and higher elevation that Lavelle.
    This. Onto the reservation is kinda their only option for expansion.

    Dark green is designated Wilderness:

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    Big morning at Lost Trail. This is presumably with a ski cut (only other option is a natural). I bet someone had to change their pants.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    At the risk of further irritating those irritated, the terrain is good.
    Doood! You're interrupting the hate fest! Acceptable subjects are:

    1. Old slow chairlifts, they stop when the power in Missoula goes out!

    2. Penny pinching ownership lacking in warm fuzzies, strangely, they won't kiss ass when people complain.

    3. Runs not mowed to the ground every year, they should be skiable once the first flake falls!

    4. Mija made me put a leash on my snowboard

    5. Stupidly premature claims that the new lift will be running (though a curmudgeonly ski instructor buddy thinks it might be this weekend).

    6. The mountain isn't high enough elevation, or is facing the wrong direction.

    7. They wouldn't let me on the lift after passing a school bus on the road!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin View Post
    7. They wouldn't let me on the lift after passing a school bus on the road and then trying to break Jon Jon's leg with my ski boot when he came to talk to me about it!
    FIFY

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