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    Ah, I had found that but missed the drop-down menu.

    I have always wondered if Snowbowl accurately tracks and reports season pass usage rates (and thus a significant number of skier days), because it would require someone doing a significant amount of data entry from the infamous board where they highlight your season pass number.

    And you make a valid point, but Snowbowl is just never going to get the same number of families/gapers as Disco and Lookout because it sucks for that category of skier.

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    I'm not asking for high speed lifts and a chic lodge. I love Last Run Inn. It's the only part of Snowbowl that doesn't look like it'll fall over. Well, unless you count the patio. I'm asking for shit that isn't rundown, broken, and dangerous.
    Better make sure to police people's driving on a road they don't own while while the drivers aren't doing anything illegal. That'll make up for it!
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    Yeah, comparing Snowbowl to Lookout Pass is much more difficult when you take into account that Lookout is close to the Couer d'Alene-Spokane region. They have to compete, and have done a very good job at bringing in skier visits (low operating costs help as well for a smaller-scale ski hill). The $99 season pass for students was a deal last year, and a number of UM students alone took that deal.

    Disco and LT are a better comparison here. I wouldn't be surprised if Snowbowl wasn't accurate on skier visitation data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    Ah, I had found that but missed the drop-down menu.

    I have always wondered if Snowbowl accurately tracks and reports season pass usage rates (and thus a significant number of skier days), because it would require someone doing a significant amount of data entry from the infamous board where they highlight your season pass number.

    And you make a valid point, but Snowbowl is just never going to get the same number of families/gapers as Disco and Lookout because it sucks for that category of skier.
    Yeah, no idea if those numbers are super accurate. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were similar inaccuracies at a lot of the small hills.

    And I don't think it'd be that hard to bring in more families and gapers, and that demographic is a money maker. There's plenty of places around the bowl where they could cut some runs in friendly-ish terrain that wouldn't detract (much) from the skiing that's actually worthwhile. And while there isn't much room to expand for "good" terrain, there's decent expansion opportunities for mellow terrain (TV mountain being a step in that direction). Of course, they'd have to actually spend a little money and lay down some grooming that was worth a damn.

    But I may well be completely wrong. I just think it's interesting that a ski that's 15 minutes from 100,000 people is getting beat out by small hills that are (relatively) in the middle of nowhere.

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    Even with that, the lifts are still terrible for kids. I have a four year old who was fine on the lifts at Disco last year but he still ain't riding Griz or Lavelle this year.

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    Yeah, that's my thought on TV Mountain. I mean, it's not high enough to really get a lot of snow on a normal year, but if it's 800-1,000' of blue trails, it'll be great to move the lesson/beginner crowd over there.
    That being said, go look at the lifts at Disco, then look at the lifts at Snowbowl. None of them are high speed, but they're bigger and more comfortable and don't swing wildly leaving the wheelhouse, and I'd assume it's easier for kids to get on them. Yes, I'm aware they'd probably need to replace all the towers to do that. Hey, maybe if they keep skimping on Ski Patrol staffing and driving away all the talent that would command a higher wage, they'll one day be able to do it. Probably not.

    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    Even with that, the lifts are still terrible for kids. I have a four year old who was fine on the lifts at Disco last year but he still ain't riding Griz or Lavelle this year.
    Ah, you beat me to it.
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    Was riding up butler creek today, planning on just going to the gate, but got there and decided to keep going. Found some chairlift towers



    There was one up at the bottom



    I didn't have time to go to the top but it looked like there were a couple up there too. none in the middle



    Good amount of space back there. Here's a run



    I don't know how long it takes to put up all the towers and then the cable and chairs but it seems like they're running out of time to have it done this year.
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    Good to know that I can try to shoot for a dozen good runs of power line if the season cooperates... (Also I bought full pass this winter), anybody know when we're supposed to pay the full price if you paid the deposit initially?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordbird View Post
    Good to know that I can try to shoot for a dozen good runs of power line if the season cooperates... (Also I bought full pass this winter), anybody know when we're supposed to pay the full price if you paid the deposit initially?
    Usually around the first weekend in November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamal View Post
    seems like they're running out of time do have it done this year.
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    Glad they aren't going to build TV mountain lift. El Nino might still bring the suck here though(or maybe lots of warm storms so a stable snowpack?). Also why is our thread so active right now, we're a forgotten place on this board typically unless it's semi-dumping(it never REALLY dumps here).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordbird View Post
    El Nino might still bring the suck here though(or maybe lots of warm storms so a stable snowpack?).
    Oh man, growing up I remember there were some horrid seasons for the bowl. My cousins in Missoula would constantly bitch about it, and more often they'd drive up to ski Big Mtn vs. the other way around.

    El Nino certainly isn't a guarantee, but it's def got me spooked. We're overdue for a bad season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    Even with that, the lifts are still terrible for kids. I have a four year old who was fine on the lifts at Disco last year but he still ain't riding Griz or Lavelle this year.
    This^^

    Blows me away they went to the trouble of getting a new lift and it's a double. You want intermediates to come, that means families, and families don't ride doubles.

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    The year Marshall closed it had move visits than Snowbowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud cult View Post
    The year Marshall closed it had move visits than Snowbowl.
    Which makes sense, it was cheaper, and had mostly beginner and intermediate terrain. Snowbowl's terrain limits its appeal to families with young children, and casual occasional skiers, which are majority of skiers actually. That's a big reason why places that have a lot of beginner and intermediate terrain get more traffic than Snowbowl.

    Snowbowl also due to it's Southern aspected slopes, leads to some horrendously bad conditions, making much of the mountain challenging, to painful, for good skiiers. Beginners and intermediates avoid challenging conditions, and aren't lured by steep terrain either, which is most of what Snowbowl has. Add that to a road that many are afraid to drive up (even now that it's all wide and easy), many less experienced sno-goers go elsewhere. Thank God!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin View Post
    Which makes sense, it was cheaper, and had mostly beginner and intermediate terrain. Snowbowl's terrain limits its appeal to families with young children, and casual occasional skiers, which are majority of skiers actually. That's a big reason why places that have a lot of beginner and intermediate terrain get more traffic than Snowbowl.

    Snowbowl also due to it's Southern aspected slopes, leads to some horrendously bad conditions, making much of the mountain challenging, to painful, for good skiiers. Beginners and intermediates avoid challenging conditions, and aren't lured by steep terrain either, which is most of what Snowbowl has. Add that to a road that many are afraid to drive up (even now that it's all wide and easy), many less experienced sno-goers go elsewhere. Thank God!
    Also, in its closing year, Marshall allowed purchase of hourly tickets, so if a person wanted to ski for an hour they could pay for an hour, so more people payed less for less, the strategy didn't work to keep the area open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin View Post
    Also, in its closing year, Marshall allowed purchase of hourly tickets, so if a person wanted to ski for an hour they could pay for an hour, so more people payed less for less, the strategy didn't work to keep the area open.
    Could Marshall even keep the needed snowpack to stay open given recent seasons? (Except this last one.)

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    Probably not. It's pretty low.
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    Back in the day, Marshall was always a foot deep of boiler plate man-made snow. As long as the temps are low, the snow would have lasted. Economics was likely the main problem. I remember that main lift getting pretty old and costly.

    They did have a killer night racing series. Tuesdays(?) for the dual slalom team series on downhill boards. I think Wednesday was the tele dual slalom series. Lots of fun and late nights up there.

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    Oh, that makes sense.
    So, el niño year and it's gonna suck, huh? Great....
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Oh, that makes sense.
    So, el niño year and it's gonna suck, huh? Great....
    Yep - NOAA long-range forecast says a good winter to keep the cycling fitness

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    I did those nighttime tele races at Marshall for a couple years. The always icy course was challenging on those old skis. I remember doing a lot of sliding around. Then beers in the lodge. Fun times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S_jenks View Post
    ... El Nino certainly isn't a guarantee, but it's def got me spooked. We're overdue for a bad season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin View Post
    Also, in its closing year, Marshall allowed purchase of hourly tickets, so if a person wanted to ski for an hour they could pay for an hour, so more people payed less for less, the strategy didn't work to keep the area open.
    $4 per hour. I had a lot of good 2 hour sessions up there as it was getting dark back in the day. Can't imagine why a bunch of dirtbags shelling out $8 couldn't keep the lifts spinning.

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    I found a new place, yay!

    I guess this winter should be average. Whatever the fuck that means anymore.
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