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    I have a Sylvia and a hot-rodded Starbucks Barista Burr Grinder. I use coffee beans I buy at a coffee shop by one of my clients, it is the blend they use in house and they get fresh beans in every week, and I pick up a bag evry cople of weeks so the beans I am getting are about as fresh as you can get without roasting your own. When I was out in Whistler I bought beans from Galilieo Coffee Roasters which was just south of Squamish, thye roasted there own on site.

    The key to good espresso, is really in the beans and how fresh they are. The best machine in the world can't make up for stale beans. The other thing is that you can't be constantly changing the blend you use. Every blend needs a specific grind and tamp to get the best shot out of it, when ever I change between the two types I like, I have to pull a 1/2 dozen shots to adjust things again to match that bean. And things can change with humidty and the season as well, even if you keep the beans well sealed.

    I have cut my self down to a double shot straight in the morning, and maybe a milk based drink in the afternoon. Which gets you into that whole micro foam and latte art thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by pechelman View Post
    ps, c-man

    i assume you're talking about those Factories on ebay from wholelattelove?

    I offered them 499, they counteroffered with 549.
    I asked them to list it BIN for 549, and used the 10% bing.com cashback, and got if for 494. It was very very hard to pass that up, so I didnt.
    Ive been watching used Pavoni Pro's, basically the same thing, go on ebay for 350-450 used.

    theyre excellent machines, just a lot to manage when you're starting out.
    but once you get there, you're there, and you can do it consistently.
    sorta like a skier wanting to get better hopping on a pair of legend pros.
    itll take a good 10-20 days of figuring it out \ getting stronger, but you're all the better for it in the end.

    supposedly, functionally, these gaggia factories act a little different than the pavonis. something about a click at the top of the lever stroke. not sure what that really means yet. Im also going to be trying to find an M6x1 Stainless Acorn nut to make a new steam wand tip.

    Wait so now Im confused. I thought I was advised against the gaggia factory cause it wasnt that god of a machine, but you're just saying its a black diamond when I probably belong on greens right now? Cause if its a great machine just tougher to learn than some Im totally game to give it a whirl.

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    Haven't really been following this thread so apologies if already mentioned by I highly recommend Barrington Gold. I've tried some of the other beans mentioned prior and I still stuggle to find anything I like better. Super fast shipping too. Give the gold a shot. You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by couloirman View Post
    Wait so now Im confused. I thought I was advised against the gaggia factory cause it wasnt that god of a machine, but you're just saying its a black diamond when I probably belong on greens right now? Cause if its a great machine just tougher to learn than some Im totally game to give it a whirl.
    ok
    ive got some seat time on that gaggia factory
    it damn near makes the coffee itself
    very forgiving and very easy to dial in
    i had my grinder set for my 45mm lever machine, so I nailed the grind from the first shot.
    just keep a mindful thought on how long the machine has been on and cycling so you dont overheat. turn the switch off while waiting or something and dont be afraid to squirt a little water on the grouphead or use a wet towel on it to cool it off.

    really, the hardest part will be getting good fresh beans
    finding your grind
    and filing down the stock tamper to fit the baskets.

    im really really impressed with it
    id get one, especially now with ebays super bing.com discount
    i think its up to 14% now
    ask them to list one at 549 BIN and youll be out the door, shipped, for ~475$

    also, I made an extra acorn nut replacement tip for the steam wand.
    steams incredibly.
    my Pstat is set to shut off around .8bar and Im happy with that.
    wouldnt mind a little more steam for when i make pechelwoman a cappa, but i just do shots, and the temp seems dead on.

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    i use this bad boy allmost evvvvvery day.

    when i pull a shot theres nothin but creme

    i could go for a shot right now but i am not at work

    Synesso by the way

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    so slightly off topic
    anyone ever tried brewing qishr?

    i just got some and brewed a couple cups and really liked it
    i did about 15grams for 20 oz, so way off from what they said, but i wasnt looking for a punch in the face of anything. came out nice. slightly sweet as is. rose, earth, crystalized ginger, and an overall flavor that reminded me a lot of roobios.

    definitely tasty...would make some killer iced tea

    ok, back to normal coffee talk
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    Quote Originally Posted by pechelman View Post
    the only other grinder that i can think of off hand, that ive heard decent things about, are the ascaso's, but those are in the 250 range. Grind quality is a touch better, but the real benefit to those extra 50$ over the virtuoso, is the fact you get a stepless adjustment. (honestly, its a huge deal if you use fresh beans &/or roast and have a decent pump\lever machine)
    http://www.1st-line.net/cgi-bin/cate...Slr&type=store
    http://www.1st-line.net/cgi-bin/cate...Sdb&type=store
    (they have a ton of models and in different colors, so feel free to browse)

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    i was wondering about that
    let us know how it is

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    like bernardo, I have spent WAYYYYYY too much time on home barista these past few days. I have a Gaggia Dose on the way that will be here monday but have a quick Q about a machine 'quiver' of choice.

    Im debating between keeping the Dose and adding a used, ebay pavoni europiccola or Gaggia Factory, or using the whole amount of money to buy this PID'd Rancilio Silvia. Should I send back the dose and go with a higher end 'prosumer' semi auto PID'd machine like the silvia as a one machine do it all kind of thing, or keep the convenience of an easier to use lower end machine like the Dose, but also have the uniqueness of a lever machine like the gaggia or pavoni in the arsenal for when Im feeling up to it. Both options are about the same amount of money overall so Im very torn. WWMD?


    This espresso 'hobby' is almost as bad as skis and parachutes for me. My first post in this thread was "I have $300 total to spend on my setup, and I spent almost all that on a grinder alone!


    Quote Originally Posted by pechelman View Post
    id get one, especially now with ebays super bing.com discount
    i think its up to 14% now
    ask them to list one at 549 BIN and youll be out the door, shipped, for ~475$

    Looks like 10% right now but better than nothing. How often does it change?
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    Also, lets say one just bought freshly roasted beans the day of their roasting and wanted to buy a bunch of pounds all at once. How long could I freeze them and expect them to still make great espresso for? Some of these mail order gourmet roaster sites offer 5 or 6 lb discounts, but I dont know if I could freeze and go through enough all at once to make it worth it. Who here freezes? Will green beans that are frozen keep much longer if I start roasting myself?

    Anyone have experience with some of the cheaper home roasters on the market? The drum roasters on sweet marias look pretty awesome but man they are not cheap. What machines do the mag roasters have experience with?

    Would I be stoked on this roaster or at that price point might I just as well bump up to an even more expensive one like this?

    Also, how much smoke do these things really put out? I live in an apartment complex now and really dont wanna set off the fire alarms.
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    for a while the bing disount was changing weekly
    my friend kept me apprised so im unsure

    if i were you, id send back the Dose, and buy that gaggia factory
    Im really really impressed. Its super easy to make a couple of shots.
    I havent made any past that amount, so overheating has been a non issue.
    repeatability has been the best of the 3 machines ive owned as well as forgiveness. I seem to always get something good. Ive only pulled one shot that I felt was "average". No sink shots. (probably about 2 dozen pulled so far?)

    as far as roasters, checkout sweetmarias sale page
    they have that behmor on sale for 250? i think.

    if you buy roasted beans, honestly, no matter what you do, they are done and stale after about 14-21 days. You could try freezing them in individual vac packs, say in half pound increments to use them as you go, but that would be a huge hassle and youd end up with sub-par coffee. You really should roast your own if you are truly concerned with freshness and quality...also green beans are half the price.

    Green beans will keep just fine in a cool dark place, ie pantry, for 6-12 months (conservatively...they can be fine for a couple years tho...or aged like monsooned coffees) if you buy them from a reputable place like SM's. I say reputable in that you need to make sure the lot you are buying didnt just arrive at the storefront recently, but arrived at port recently. Since SM is in oakland, and Oakland is 1 of 2 major coffee importing ports in the US, the other being NJ, you're pretty much garunteed that when he lists a coffee, it just arrived at port that week.

    Also, definitely DO NOT freeze green beans.
    Youll take them in and out of the freezer, moisture will condense on them, and will throw off the moisture content and possibly make them go bad really fast.

    I own a FreshRoast8 and im really happy with it
    Super easy to use but you need to keep an eye on it because things happen fast.
    Start to finish for a FC+ roast is just under 6-7mins depending on the bean\weather\etc. I pass from 1st to 2nd crack in about a minute, so its hard to dial in that range in between, but very easy to dial in a FC or FC+ roast. (i never go any darker)
    I drink 1 single a day usually, so a batch of 60grams of green beans will last me the better part of a work week. This may not work for you if you drink more coffee.

    The only machine that I think doesnt put out a ton of smoke and safe to use inside without an externally vented hood would be the GeneCafe aka Zach and Dani's roaster. I have my roaster permanently docked on my workbench in the garage...though one time when it was freezing out there i brought it in a small bathroom i have, with no alarm, and a ceiling fan vent, and did it safely in there....though it smelled like coffee for a couple weeks in there

    If you can afford it, Id go with that gene drum roaster.
    Id love one myself. Those dials to adjust on the fly are wickedly cool.
    Then again, theres something about the simplicity and clarity of flavors a fast, small, fluid bed roaster can achieve that I really love. Drums can tend to muddy\mellow things up a bit.

    and c-man
    just email me if you have any other questions
    im pechelman AT gmail

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    Quote Originally Posted by pechelman View Post
    ok
    ive got some seat time on that gaggia factory
    it damn near makes the coffee itself
    very forgiving and very easy to dial in
    i had my grinder set for my 45mm lever machine, so I nailed the grind from the first shot.
    just keep a mindful thought on how long the machine has been on and cycling so you dont overheat. turn the switch off while waiting or something and dont be afraid to squirt a little water on the grouphead or use a wet towel on it to cool it off.

    really, the hardest part will be getting good fresh beans
    finding your grind
    and filing down the stock tamper to fit the baskets.

    im really really impressed with it
    id get one, especially now with ebays super bing.com discount
    i think its up to 14% now
    ask them to list one at 549 BIN and youll be out the door, shipped, for ~475$

    also, I made an extra acorn nut replacement tip for the steam wand.
    steams incredibly.
    my Pstat is set to shut off around .8bar and Im happy with that.
    wouldnt mind a little more steam for when i make pechelwoman a cappa, but i just do shots, and the temp seems dead on.
    This is the machine I've been looking for. It has all of the features I wanted. Thanks for the review and the price advice Pechelman.
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    My factory 106 finally showed up yesterday after a few weeks of waiting, and the gaskets are all dried up so the machine leaks steam/water all over the place. WLL doesn't carry the gaskets I need, so Ive gotta send the whole machine back to get swapped out because of some simple rubber rings. Wonder how long Ill be waiting this time?


    oh, and nesco roaster coming my way I bought enough greenage so if I go through all the beans and it turns out I dont really like roasting anyway it will have already paid for itself, super stoked for freshness as the beans Ive been getting around here taste like shite, or cost $15-17 for 12 ounces, which I go through in just a couple days.

    Any tips for roasting for espresso? Favorite blends? Favorite single origins? Favorite place to get greens besides sweet marias?

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    Quote Originally Posted by couloirman View Post
    Any tips for roasting for espresso? Favorite blends? Favorite single origins? Favorite place to get greens besides sweet marias?
    Check these threads about roasting: http://www.home-barista.com/faqs-and...l#homeroasting Tons of good information and a lot of stuff that is espresso specific.

    I get all my beans from the Green Coffee Buying Club (http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/) and Sweet Marias.

    Fair warning that the only place to go with home roasting is more/bigger, once we move to a new place I will likely be selling my Hottop and getting something that can roast at least ~ 1lb at a time. And it didn't take me long to get from Popcorn Popper to the HotTop.

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    Thanks to this thread, I took the plunge to better home espresso. I spent hours on Home Barista and Coffeegeek debating which machine and grinder to buy. In the end, I went with a Le'Lit pl 41 and Le'Lit grinder. They are suppose to arrive on Monday. I can't wait try them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowderAlltheTime View Post
    Thanks to this thread, I took the plunge to better home espresso. I spent hours on Home Barista and Coffeegeek debating which machine and grinder to buy. In the end, I went with a Le'Lit pl 41 and Le'Lit grinder. They are suppose to arrive on Monday. I can't wait try them out.
    Awesome - first step to heading down that wonderful road of the art of making espresso....next step...a PLUMBED machine. When I remodel my kitchen next year that's what I'll be adding. Currently I have a Pavoni and I pull shots just like 007.....

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    I'm looking to pickup a Gaggia Factory 106 16 cup lever/manual machine.

    I can't find a website to order from other than amazon, which is retardedly expensive.

    I'm not sure if WLL ships to Canada, I have an email to them regarding that. Additionally, they don't appear to have either the Factory 105 or 106 on their webstore, only the Achillies.

    Any other suggestions?
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    Gaggia stopped making the Factory.

    The La Pavoni Europiccola is EXACTLY the same internals as the Factory, just not the metal sheathe and little top cap thingy (and the portafilters may lock in in opposite directions, can't remember). The Pavoni is also much more ubiquitous so you should be able to pick up a used one on ebay/coffeegeek for cheap.

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    youd have to email mike at WLL and say you saw the deal on home-barista for the factory 106 for $549. That being said, they are slow and have poor communication on their end. They tell you something has shipped and it wont ship for 3 days or more, and when there is a problem you need to send something back for, it will take multiple days for them to email you a simple shipping label to return the item with, and I will let you know what the turn around time is for getting a new machine replacement once they actually move forward with my issue. I returned one machine and its been almost 2 weeks since they received it, they didnt even email me to let me know they got it and I still havent received a refund yet.

    The factory I bought from them had a manufactured date of 10 years ago, so its no wonder the gaskets were dried out, and since they dont carry replacement parts I gotta send the whole thing back for a few pieces of rubber. Get a pavoni off ebay over the factory, Ive seen some go for ~350 recently that make me wish I bought that instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by couloirman View Post
    youd have to email mike at WLL and say you saw the deal on home-barista for the factory 106 for $549. That being said, they are slow and have poor communication on their end. They tell you something has shipped and it wont ship for 3 days or more, and when there is a problem you need to send something back for, it will take multiple days for them to email you a simple shipping label to return the item with, and I will let you know what the turn around time is for getting a new machine replacement once they actually move forward with my issue. I returned one machine and its been almost 2 weeks since they received it, they didnt even email me to let me know they got it and I still havent received a refund yet.

    The factory I bought from them had a manufactured date of 10 years ago, so its no wonder the gaskets were dried out, and since they dont carry replacement parts I gotta send the whole thing back for a few pieces of rubber. Get a pavoni off ebay over the factory, Ive seen some go for ~350 recently that make me wish I bought that instead.


    Thanks for the advice! I've already emailed Mike re: the WLL deal.


    I'm now thinking the La Pavoni Europiccola or the Gaggia Achilles.


    The Pavoni Europiccola is more money and more widely serviceable with good reviews, but the reviews of the Gaggia Achilles are much better and it's also less money.

    Suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iscariot View Post
    Thanks for the advice! I've already emailed Mike re: the WLL deal.


    I'm now thinking the La Pavoni Europiccola or the Gaggia Achilles.


    The Pavoni Europiccola is more money and more widely serviceable with good reviews, but the reviews of the Gaggia Achilles are much better and it's also less money.

    Suggestions?
    My suggestion: do anything you can to avoid dealing with WLL. Call it personal bias, but I have heard nothing but bad reviews about their customer service (mainly it taking forever and them being slow to respond).

    The Achille operates inherently differently than every other lever machine that the consumer buys (ie., not a multi-group professional machine) - you can read more about it here: http://www.home-barista.com/gaggia-a...ers-guide.html

    My recommendation would be to buy a used Europiccola. They go for ~$3-400 in good condition and, like couloirman said, replacement parts are quick and easy to find, they are super easy to fix, and they last a lifetime.

    If you get a Europiccola for $400, then you have another $400 saved from the Achille to buy a grinder (which is more important than the espresso machine).

    edit: here is a nice Pavoni for sale (dunno if you mind buying from the US): http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/buysell/440331

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattw View Post
    My suggestion: do anything you can to avoid dealing with WLL. Call it personal bias, but I have heard nothing but bad reviews about their customer service (mainly it taking forever and them being slow to respond).

    The Achille operates inherently differently than every other lever machine that the consumer buys (ie., not a multi-group professional machine) - you can read more about it here: http://www.home-barista.com/gaggia-a...ers-guide.html

    My recommendation would be to buy a used Europiccola. They go for ~$3-400 in good condition and, like couloirman said, replacement parts are quick and easy to find, they are super easy to fix, and they last a lifetime.

    If you get a Europiccola for $400, then you have another $400 saved from the Achille to buy a grinder (which is more important than the espresso machine).

    edit: here is a nice Pavoni for sale (dunno if you mind buying from the US): http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/buysell/440331
    That was the Achille in-depth review that I read along with several other personal reviews. That review was what made me think of the Achille (I like the idea of a 58mm group, and a few of the other design features including no overheating, the way the water gets to the group from the heater, etc...).

    I'm definitely leaving room for a good burr grinder.
    I am in Canada but I don't mind buying from the U.S. Thanks for the sale link. Also thanks for the tip on WLL.

    I guess the question then becomes: What don't you (mattw) like about the Achilles?

    The Pavoni seems to overheat a bit, although parts are more widely available.

    I'm just trying to get educated so I only have to buy this once...

    Some espresso porn...

    http://www.home-barista.com/gaggia-a...de-videos.html

    I recommend the "Start to Finish" and "Classico" vids.
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    On places to buy - Espressoparts.com (espresso NW) is where I have bought most of my stuff, but I have dealt with ChrisCoffee when I had an Andreja Premium. Both have been great.

    The only real thing to not like about the Achille is that it is basically a Pump HX machine, but with a lever (a la commercial levers). The appeal to a lot of espresso fans (like myself) of the lever machine is that it is simpler and making espresso is a little more 'zen' than with an HX machine. The Achille kinda eliminates the simplicity and 'zen' part of it by adding a heat exchange to the mix. Just my opinion though, and I didn't spend all that much time with one.

    The other reason I like the Pavoni's is that they are pretty cheap and if you hate making your own espresso (a lot of folks do), you can sell it on the other side for minimal/no loss. Also, I have owned 4 $1k+ espresso machines, and settled on a (relatively) cheap lever machine once all was said and done, but it was a matter of convenience: since I was never making more than 2-4 shots at a time, it made more sense to heat up the small lever boiler than to turn on a big machine. HX machines typically take a while to heat up (40-60 minutes) while the lever machine is ready in 10-20 minutes (depending on machine).

    But a lot of these reasons are why I chose a lever machine, not anything against the Achille. My main issue with the Achille is that it isn't really a 'true' lever machine. Other minor complaints when I tried it out were the small reservoir and mediocre steaming performance (in comparison to the Andreja that we were A/B'ing it against).

    edit: If you don't mind posting, what kind of money are you looking to spend (both total [grinder and machine] and just on the machine) and what do you envision doing with it? Are you planning on making 1-2 espresso per day? 4 lattes? 1-2 espresso normally with parties requiring 6-8 lattes? I could make a better recommendation then.
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    mattw thanks for the in depth advice.

    As far as use, it'd be for me and maybe sometimes the g/f; pulling doubles each. I don't drink milk at all so steaming really isn't important to me. The g/f likes lattes, but this is my purchase so, again, the steaming won't be used much, if at all. The machine is solely for personal use, not parties or work functions.

    As far as price...I want good quality at a good price (heh, don't we all). Let me put it this way: I think good shots, longevity, and reliability are important. I'm willing to pay more for a machine that I only have to buy once (aside from basic replacement parts).

    I've seen the Achille and the Pavoni retailed $750-$950 (more than I wanted to spend but not completely out of the realm of possibility). I really liked the price of the Gaggia Factory at $550. Grinder will be about $250 (hopefully stepless, but they're more expensive too).

    After a couple of years of experience on the machine I hope to start roasting as well.

    I don't drink coffee(french press)/espresso everyday (particularly in the summer; in the winter it's likely 6 out of 7 days) but when I do I like it to taste good. I can tell the difference, and good espresso is difficult to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pechelman View Post
    You really should roast your own if you are truly concerned with freshness and quality...also green beans are half the price.
    Nothing against roasting at home but you cant achieve the same quality and homogenity of roast as with a big machine. The difference in taste between roasting on home sample roaster (iRoast, Behmore, GeneCafe) and our regular machine (Joper 15kg) is huge ...

    if you buy them from a reputable place like SM's.
    Yes, Tomson Owens at SM is the man to buy coffee from. He knows coffee like anyone else ... There is also a new company http://www.coffeeshrub.com (i think affiliated with SM).

    Also, definitely DO NOT freeze green beans.
    I have to say I agree but some big names in coffee industry (e.g. George Howell from Terroir) have been freezing green ... If we receive high quality beans in jute, we sometimes vacpac them ... but nowadays most of the nice beans come vacuum packed anyways ...

    In my opinion, if you are not a true coffee aficionado and you live in the U.S. I would drop the home roasting option and just try coffee from different roasters. Stumptown, Counter Culture, Intelligentsia, Gimme Coffee, Coffee Klatch, Terroir, there is just so many ... If you are in Europe, send me a PM, I will hook you up with some beans

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