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  1. #1151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobsen View Post
    School me on ramp angle and forward lean, please.
    In my new boots I have the feeling that Im not really balanced on top of my skis. Most noticeably on jumps and while skiing switch, just carving the groomers is fine if not a little off.
    Im pretty tall (6‘4) and am really flexible in my ankle joint. Skiing a Fischer Rc4 130.

    I read that people with flexible ankle joints should, generally speaking, be more forward. On my old boots I had an adjustable boot board to raise ramp angle, which i believe lowers forward lean(?) though that made it feel better.
    Skiing withouth the spoiler didnt help the problem.
    Might a heel lift help to mitigate my problem? Although that doesnt correspond with my understanding of internal ramp angle.
    Anything else I could try?
    Thanks a lot!
    total ramp angle = the angle that your foot sits in the boot (including binding ramp angle and boot ramp angle) in relasionship to the flat ground. (toes are higher then heel)


    boot forward lean is the angle is the differance in angle between the foot and the lower leg. This can be changed by 5-15mm shims in the top/back/upper part of the boot, or with a thinner shim in the junction between upper and lower shell. They both do similar things by pushing the lower leg forward or back, but NOT changing the angle of the foot to ground.


  2. #1152
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    Paging @mntlion... Do you know how many times you can (re-)heat mold salomon shells? I got a new pair of footbeds which are subtly different enough from my old ones that I'm noticing some hotspots along the outside edge of my foot. From the styloid up to the met-head. I've had good results head molding my salomon xmax shells. This particular pair have been cooked twice already, though, so contemplating doing it a 3rd time now.

    Thought I've heard that the shells shouldn't be cooked more than 3 times, but don't know if that's just hearsay or actual explicit instructions from salomon. Thanks in advance for info and help!

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  3. #1153
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    its fine, heat up the shell as needed. Or spot heat that one small area.


  4. #1154
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    Go ahead and cook them again, it's not a problem. And you can swim right after eating, too.

  5. #1155
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregL View Post
    Go ahead and cook them again, it's not a problem. And you can swim right after eating, too.
    Dang! And after all this time, i've been doing it wrong after eating.

    Thanks much you two for the info! Takes a concern off my mind.

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  6. #1156
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    Running with scissors helps too

    especial if the boots are red


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    Quote Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
    Running with scissors helps too

    especial if the boots are red
    Only orange accents. Close, on the color spectrum, but sadly lacking all the same.

    Just got back from my local shop. They were VERY resistant to cooking the shells again. They were of the opinion cooking them more than a couple times messes up the plastic and flex. I insisted, and to their credit, they did indulge me in cooking the shells again. Feels sooo much better now in the hotspot areas. Thanks to both of you for your info and help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sierra_cement View Post
    Only orange accents. Close, on the color spectrum, but sadly lacking all the same.

    Just got back from my local shop. They were VERY resistant to cooking the shells again. They were of the opinion cooking them more than a couple times messes up the plastic and flex. I insisted, and to their credit, they did indulge me in cooking the shells again. Feels sooo much better now in the hotspot areas. Thanks to both of you for your info and help!

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    glad its working You can self cook with hot water too.
    https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...V-boot-molding


  9. #1159
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    Cook your own fucking boots.......

  10. #1160
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    As well as mount your own fucking skis... Need a source for that low density bootfitters foam, though. Where?
    Quote Originally Posted by m2711c View Post
    Cook your own fucking boots.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by sierra_cement View Post
    As well as mount your own fucking skis... Need a source for that low density bootfitters foam, though. Where?

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    Brain fart. Not low density. Low compression, high density foam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sierra_cement View Post
    As well as mount your own fucking skis... Need a source for that low density bootfitters foam, though. Where?

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    https://www.tognar.com/boot_heater_w...snowboard.html


  13. #1163
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    Sweet! I'll still have to throw some cash to the local ski shops for punches and grinds, if necessary. (Because, why not support local small businesses.) But otherwise, looks like I'm all set then for my next pair of boots down the line.

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  14. #1164
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    I have a problem with my Lange xt130 free boots(with spoilers on) no grip walk soles. I think they don't have enough forward lean? I can't ski more than maybe 100 vertical meters and my legs are burning. I'm in better fit than before and could easily ski 1000 vert meter runs no problems last year(boots salomon QST pro 130 with spoilers and touring soles). So I guess new boot makes my skiing position little bit off. Any hints what to do? My best boot ever was Full Tilt with 4mm forward lean wedge.

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    Where can I as a civilian buy a boot press? Anyone want to get me one through svst? I need to start working on my own fucking boots.

  16. #1166
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ville View Post
    I have a problem with my Lange xt130 free boots(with spoilers on) no grip walk soles. I think they don't have enough forward lean? I can't ski more than maybe 100 vertical meters and my legs are burning. I'm in better fit than before and could easily ski 1000 vert meter runs no problems last year(boots salomon QST pro 130 with spoilers and touring soles). So I guess new boot makes my skiing position little bit off. Any hints what to do? My best boot ever was Full Tilt with 4mm forward lean wedge.

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    Quad burn is often connected to too high binding delta/ramp. What bindings do you use?

    I had the very same experience when I got in my Lange RX's a couple of years ago, coming from Kryptons and Tecnicas. In the previous boots, low delta Wardens felt off to me but Sth2 was perfect. With the Langes I have to shim the Sth2 toes 2 mm to escape quad burn. Low delta bindings like Attack feels perfect to me in the Langes. I ditched the RX spoiler too as I get a snug enough fit without it and don't need the higher forward lean.

    So maybe your solution is the opposite of what you're suspecting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoooL View Post
    Quad burn is often connected to too high binding delta/ramp. What bindings do you use?

    I had the very same experience when I got in my Lange RX's a couple of years ago, coming from Kryptons and Tecnicas. In the previous boots, low delta Wardens felt off to me but Sth2 was perfect. With the Langes I have to shim the Sth2 toes 2 mm to escape quad burn. Low delta bindings like Attack feels perfect to me in the Langes. I ditched the RX spoiler too as I get a snug enough fit without it and don't need the higher forward lean.

    So maybe your solution is the opposite of what you're suspecting?
    Atk Freerider 14 2.0 and my sole on Langes is 306mm, when on salomons it was 296mm. 25,5 to 26. Would that affect that much? Too bad I don't have access to lift and need tour every vertical meter I ski, so getting things dialed is really slow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ville View Post
    I have a problem with my Lange xt130 free boots(with spoilers on) no grip walk soles. I think they don't have enough forward lean? I can't ski more than maybe 100 vertical meters and my legs are burning. I'm in better fit than before and could easily ski 1000 vert meter runs no problems last year(boots salomon QST pro 130 with spoilers and touring soles). So I guess new boot makes my skiing position little bit off. Any hints what to do? My best boot ever was Full Tilt with 4mm forward lean wedge.

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    Did you only change the boots? (same ski and binding?)

    Do you get this wtih other ski set ups? (same boot, other skis/bindings)

    I agree odds are a angle thing.


    easy way to try is fold up a sock, and put it between the ski boot liner and shell (pushing your lower leg forward) and see how that feels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
    Did you only change the boots? (same ski and binding?)

    Do you get this wtih other ski set ups? (same boot, other skis/bindings)

    I agree odds are a angle thing.


    easy way to try is fold up a sock, and put it between the ski boot liner and shell (pushing your lower leg forward) and see how that feels.
    Ski changed too, Salomon qst99 to Scott Punisher 110. I have skied my pow setup couple of times, Moment Donner Party + beast 16. It wasn't as bad but definately still there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ville View Post
    Ski changed too, Salomon qst99 to Scott Punisher 110. I have skied my pow setup couple of times, Moment Donner Party + beast 16. It wasn't as bad but definately still there.

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    so maybe a combo of boot angles plus binding angles.

    add a shim/sock and make the boot more forward and see if that is better or worse, and do more of what ever makes it better

    then play with bindings if needed


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    Quote Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
    so maybe a combo of boot angles plus binding angles.

    add a shim/sock and make the boot more forward and see if that is better or worse, and do more of what ever makes it better

    then play with bindings if needed
    That sock is thing is good advice, why haven't I thought of it. Very easy way to try it out.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ville View Post
    That sock is thing is good advice, why haven't I thought of it. Very easy way to try it out.




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    a glove also wroks


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    Is tightening buckles mid day normal?

    I either cynch up (losing flex) or I get heel slip. If this isn’t normal, I will start working my way through the list on page 1.

    Thanks for this thread and resource!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm Hood View Post
    Is tightening buckles mid day normal?

    I either cynch up (losing flex) or I get heel slip. If this isn’t normal, I will start working my way through the list on page 1.

    Thanks for this thread and resource!
    most people have to re-tighten a bit thru out the day. (or find the boot really tight for the first few runs)


  25. #1175
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    Thanks for letting me know I am somewhat normal!

    With the boots on tight. I have no problems with pain, but I do feel like I don’t have enough flex.

    I have 2016 model Rossignol Allias with 120 Flex. There are no easy adjustment options, so does anyone know if a bootfiter would be able to soften it?

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