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  1. #2001
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    Ok so here’s a random question. Not really a problem, more curious.

    I have S Max 130s. The liners seem to have separated, with the inside fabric layer now totally unattached from the interior foam of the liner.

    Is this normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EWG View Post
    Ok so here’s a random question. Not really a problem, more curious.

    I have S Max 130s. The liners seem to have separated, with the inside fabric layer now totally unattached from the interior foam of the liner.

    Is this normal?
    How old/many days on the liners?

    most stock liners are mostly packed out and done after 50-100 days.

    I have seen a few salomons become detached, but usually after 50-100 days


  3. #2003
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    The XTDs have a very tight heel and can bite like mad, but also give great heel hold. Keep grinding that boot board down if it feels like it is biting the top of your heel.

    Grinding the heel cup works but has its challenges. Thin plastic that likes to melt.

    Punching the heel works as well but will mess with the walk mode. Some times I have to punch on both sides of the heel to straighten out the walk mode catch.

  4. #2004
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    the answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"

    Quote Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
    How old/many days on the liners?

    most stock liners are mostly packed out and done after 50-100 days.

    I have seen a few salomons become detached, but usually after 50-100 days
    2 seasons plus this one. So maybe 110 days?

    Problem is they are just starting to become comfortable on the toes on my left foot, which is about a 10 3/4. My right is a 9 1/2. I’m in 26.5.s.

    Never occurred to me that they might be coming to end of life. I thought they were just getting broken in.

    Edit: raises a question. If I ever replaced the liners I wonder if I could buy one thin intuition and one thick. Or do I have to buy them in pairs…

  5. #2005
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    Quote Originally Posted by EWG View Post
    2 seasons plus this one. So maybe 110 days?

    Problem is they are just starting to become comfortable on the toes on my left foot, which is about a 10 3/4. My right is a 9 1/2. I’m in 26.5.s.

    Never occurred to me that they might be coming to end of life. I thought they were just getting broken in.

    Edit: raises a question. If I ever replaced the liners I wonder if I could buy one thin intuition and one thick. Or do I have to buy them in pairs…
    My Lange RX 130’s started doing that, and probably around a similar number of days. Not the whole liner, mind you, just in the heel pocket and up the calf a little.

  6. #2006
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    Have a friend with a crazy high arch. Like nothing I’ve ever seen. Arch isn’t even the right word - the arch is high, but the top middle of the foot is super tall. Like the foot was supposed to be a 13 but scrunched to a size 10 length.

    He has had terrible pain with every boot ever. Two Qs

    1. What kind of mods should he pursue? Shops have thrown up their hands after punching and molding. They won’t cut plastic for him.

    2. What new boot fits this shape? He went to Great Northern in whitefish and they had nothing that could work.

    3. What liner thoughts do you have? I was thinking mold the fuck out of an intuition, over the arch, until it’s flat as a pancake


  7. #2007
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenBC View Post
    The XTDs have a very tight heel and can bite like mad, but also give great heel hold. Keep grinding that boot board down if it feels like it is biting the top of your heel.

    Grinding the heel cup works but has its challenges. Thin plastic that likes to melt.

    Punching the heel works as well but will mess with the walk mode. Some times I have to punch on both sides of the heel to straighten out the walk mode catch.
    I'll start with grinding the boot board, thanks! It looks somewhat thick so my hopes are shell work will not be needed. I agree on the area looking tricky to work on.

  8. #2008
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    Quote Originally Posted by margotron View Post
    Have a friend with a crazy high arch. Like nothing I’ve ever seen. Arch isn’t even the right word - the arch is high, but the top middle of the foot is super tall. Like the foot was supposed to be a 13 but scrunched to a size 10 length.

    He has had terrible pain with every boot ever. Two Qs

    1. What kind of mods should he pursue? Shops have thrown up their hands after punching and molding. They won’t cut plastic for him.

    2. What new boot fits this shape? He went to Great Northern in whitefish and they had nothing that could work.

    3. What liner thoughts do you have? I was thinking mold the fuck out of an intuition, over the arch, until it’s flat as a pancake
    You mean he has a crazy high instep, the arch is under his foot (probably tall also, but not necessarily).

    It is very hard to analyze "outlier" problem cases without having the foot in front of you (an accurate digital scan can help, but still doesn't really show volume well), but here goes:

    1. Find someone with a proven instep expansion tool/method and re-shape the instep with a bunch of localized heat. Not every bootfitter has a method for this. Grind the bootboard or cut off the front of the bootboard entirely (may need to grind the scaffo to remove contours, not possible in every boot). Chop vinyl and elastic out of the liner/remove material from the tongue. Go up a size.
    2. No boot is designed to fit this shape, but a good starting point for an average volume foot is usually an Atomic Hawx Prime (2 piece shell) or Dalbello Panterra (3 piece shell).
    3. Intuition wrap liner can certainly help, as you can thin the part over the instep by molding with foam over the instep (or just squashing the flaps in a vise).

  9. #2009
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    I need some help figuring out my insoles.

    I use superfeet redhot in my resort boots. At the start of every season I go through excruciating arch pain. In the first few days I have to take my bots off and put my feet in the snow. After a few days I only have to open my buckles and after about 10 days they are comfortable. I tried the blue superfeet but the boots felt loose with them.

    For touring I used the blue insoles in the mercury with original liner. I had good control, fit and no arch pain. I replaced the liner with intuition MV. The heel and the instep are loose with the blue insoles I had in the boots with the original liner. I tried two insoles:
    The red insoles feel like they take up the space and give me a good touring boot fit. I am a bit reluctant to use them in my touring boots due to my arches hurting so badly at the start of the season.
    My orthopedic insoles from my hiking boots. They are thick and cushiony. They take up the instep space very comfortably, but the heel does not feel locked in. I wonder if this is due to them lacking a heel cup like the superfeet.
    Next I will shim the blue insoles to lift them up a few mm.

    Is there a difference in heel lift between the red, blue and green insoles?
    Is there a difference in heel cup dimensions between the red, blue and green insoles?

    Life is too short to try so many possible combos. Any suggestions?

  10. #2010
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    Quote Originally Posted by herrgard View Post
    Did you mold them when new?
    Boot and liner right out of the box.

    Should add that I have a pair of travel dryers (mostly airflow, barely any heat and only in the toes) but have never used any of the stand-up heaters that someone else mentioned.

  11. #2011
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocximus View Post
    Life is too short to try so many possible combos. Any suggestions?
    Have you tried having a footbed made specifically for your arch, rather than a computer-designed shape produced by Superfeet?

  12. #2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ørion View Post
    Boot and liner right out of the box.

    Should add that I have a pair of travel dryers (mostly airflow, barely any heat and only in the toes) but have never used any of the stand-up heaters that someone else mentioned.
    I was thinking if it was a possibility they packed out enough in the heel in 15 days to get the same behaviour I get when molded, I always try to mash the heel as much back as possible.

    I have not used any dryers on the mimics yet. Never had any problem with it on fulltilt/dalbello intuition, but those were much older than 15 days.

  13. #2013
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    Quote Originally Posted by herrgard View Post
    I was thinking if it was a possibility they packed out enough in the heel in 15 days to get the same behaviour I get when molded, I always try to mash the heel as much back as possible.

    I have not used any dryers on the mimics yet. Never had any problem with it on fulltilt/dalbello intuition, but those were much older than 15 days.
    I realized my last post was a touch ambiguous. To clarify, both shell and liner got heat molded out of the box.

    My current working theory is that it took about a dozen days in the boots to pack out the heels enough reveal a slight shape issue + introduce an infinitesimal amount of heel lift if I get sloppy (which definitely aggravates it).

    The fascinating thing to me is that I added insole shims to both boots under the hypothesis that this was irritation caused by rubbing as the liners packed out and got a touch looser.

    Almost entirely fixed the issue for my right but made it so painful for my left heel that I tapped out after taking 10 steps.

    For now, I've been skiing with just a shim in my right boot and its been pretty manageable. Still puzzling out the solution though, sucking up a little volume helped for one foot but made it drastically worse on the other.

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