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  1. #1351
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJSapp View Post
    That was my gut reaction. Now to play the what if that doesn't work out while I'm on the mountain? I am still concerned it will put my foot to sleep if I'm trying to tighten it up enough so my foot doesn't slide. I'd rather not spend my weekend beating my purple toe, but numb feet are no better.

    Just harden up?
    Unbuckle on the lift every other run or so. I grew up racing. I don't understand how people can ski with boots so loose they don't make your feet numb.
    If your big toe is turning purple that's something different.
    Why not bake the liners and see if it helps?

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  2. #1352
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashka View Post
    Hi guys. I have two boots - Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD with Tour Wrap and Dalbello KR2 ID. Both in 24.5 shell size. These boots were purchased separately in different places and were done by different bootfitters. Atomics feel good both up and downhill, almost no pressure point - may be a little one above my big toe on left feet. But kryptons squeeze my toe area and after 30 days of skiing + one small punch this pressure point still presents. I tried Tour Wraps inside krypton shells and didn't notice any pressure

    I assume that I could get rid of any pressure by recooking kryptons the correct way (like in atomics case) Should I do it by myself at home or go to a bootfitter? What do you think about this?
    Today I noticed that Iím using Tour Wrap size 25 in shell size 24.5. According to Intuition size chart Tour Wrap should be round down. But that little trick (using bigger size liner) gives me room in toe box. When I try both liners without shell Dalbello Intuition liner doesnít have enough room and length in toe box as the Intuition Tour Wraps.

    So now I have following questions:
    1. Could liner gain some length during molding process?
    2. Iím wondering if I can do the same trick - using bigger size liner in lower shell for my dalbello boots? What Intuition liner should I check? The ones that has almost same characteristics as Tour Wrap- like 4mm sole + round down size - or the others that should be rounded up?

    Ps I want a new liner for kryptons because i donít want to beat up touring liner in resort

  3. #1353
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    the answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"

    Best method for increasing rearward support on a Salomon QST pro 130, this one?



    Currently running stock liners.

    Ideas- I put in a beefy racing spoiler from a plug liner, put it as high up on the liner as I could and that helped a little. Considering trying my intuition luxury liner with them, but theyíre packed out as hell. Already planning to add Pulse Proflex, but that shouldnít help with rearward stiffness.

    Can provide more pics. Love the way the boot fits, fine with how it walks, fine with the way it skis besides the rearward support which is useful to have on occasion.

  4. #1354
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    Quote Originally Posted by Self Jupiter View Post
    Best method for increasing rearward support on a Salomon QST pro 130, this one?



    Currently running stock liners.

    Ideas- I put in a beefy racing spoiler from a plug liner, put it as high up on the liner as I could and that helped a little. Considering trying my intuition luxury liner with them, but they’re packed out as hell. Already planning to add Pulse Proflex, but that shouldn’t help with rearward stiffness.

    Can provide more pics. Love the way the boot fits, fine with how it walks, fine with the way it skis besides the rearward support which is useful to have on occasion.
    Do you want the rear cuff to be taller?

    or is the shell/walk mode flexing?


  5. #1355
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    the answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"

    Quote Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
    Do you want the rear cuff to be taller?

    or is the shell/walk mode flexing?
    I think the rear cuff being taller would help a lot, especially considering how soft the stock liner is (itís super light and has no plastic). Here are some pics. Thanks mtnlion.

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  6. #1356
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    yup, that will also push you forward a bit more (not sure if that is good or bad for you?)

    if you want a similar F lean, you can use a thick plastic food container, bolted to the upper cuff. Will stiffen the boot rearward, by making it taller, and will not change the F lean.


  7. #1357
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    Right now Iím just using that spoiler because itís the largest I have. Will experiment with reverting to the smaller stock one with less forward lean once I try that food container style mod. Thanks again.

  8. #1358
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    Quote Originally Posted by Self Jupiter View Post
    Best method for increasing rearward support on a Salomon QST pro 130, this one?

    Currently running stock liners.

    Ideas- I put in a beefy racing spoiler from a plug liner, put it as high up on the liner as I could and that helped a little. Considering trying my intuition luxury liner with them, but theyíre packed out as hell. Already planning to add Pulse Proflex, but that shouldnít help with rearward stiffness.

    Can provide more pics. Love the way the boot fits, fine with how it walks, fine with the way it skis besides the rearward support which is useful to have on occasion.
    Answered another thread with this but thought i'd post just for posting's sake.


    Coupla basic conceptual ideas came to mind. No clue if they'd really work in the real world.

    1. An easily re/re external rigid rod that spans from a mounting point on ski topsheet to upper boot rear cuff area. See pics for an rough idea of what that would look like. Something like a section of hollow alu or carbon ski pole could be a light material to use? Real world effectiveness would be influenced by ski flex obviously...so perhaps only valid for skis with stiff underfoot to tail flex patterns? Dunno, it'd be cool to try it out and see.

    2. Using a very rigid material, a curved 'exoskeleton' or some sort of removable rigid rear brace than extends from boot heel shelf to top rear of cuff. Obviously would work best if the shelf is totally free and exposed as a mating surface such as when using tech binders...could probably mold something to fit in the recess of the boot/binding heel piece attachment point if required too though if using dh binders.


    In pic i just used a piece of coat hanger to illustrate the basic concept...

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    What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?

  9. #1359
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashka View Post
    Today I noticed that Iím using Tour Wrap size 25 in shell size 24.5. According to Intuition size chart Tour Wrap should be round down. But that little trick (using bigger size liner) gives me room in toe box. When I try both liners without shell Dalbello Intuition liner doesnít have enough room and length in toe box as the Intuition Tour Wraps.

    So now I have following questions:
    1. Could liner gain some length during molding process?
    2. Iím wondering if I can do the same trick - using bigger size liner in lower shell for my dalbello boots? What Intuition liner should I check? The ones that has almost same characteristics as Tour Wrap- like 4mm sole + round down size - or the others that should be rounded up?

    Ps I want a new liner for kryptons because i donít want to beat up touring liner in resort
    I'm not sure that the liner stretches during the molding process, but a toe cap while molding will push your heel further back and also create more room in the toe box which, in my experience, allows for a great fit when in "race fit" shells.

    I've always rocked a 26 Intuition in 25.5 shells (both Kryptons and XT Frees) with great success. If you're in you smallest possible shell size, I'd definitely recommend rounding up a half for your liner. Although, after molding, I'm not sure I could tell the difference between a 25.5 and 26.0 liner. YMMV.

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  10. #1360
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    Technica Mach 120 LV & shin bang--Better to go with a tongue shim or Booster strap as a first step?

    The lower works but the cuff is too big. Regardless of how tight I buckle the boot I can still create space behind my leg & deform the boot.
    I am tall 6'1 170lbs & 27.5, skinny & have no calves.



    I can finally get my feet in the boot & ski for a day. Taking them off is another story.

  11. #1361
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    try a booster, also try it between the liner and the shell?

    eliminator tongue might help

    smaller volume shell (plug boot) might be the best answer?


  12. #1362
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    Paging mtnlion.

    Picking up new boots. Salomon S/Max. Need some punching and work but they fit great. Trying to decide between 120 and 130. With the stiffener plate on the back flipped to stiffer the 120s seemed like enough. Will I regret that over time, and wish I had picked up the 130s and softened them up? The 130s have an adjustable stiffener plate also.

    I'm 185lbs, getting older than I was. No massive airs, not looking for pure speed on groomers any more - I ski fast but not cranking high 50s all the time or anything. The steeper and more technical the better, plus I love very steep bumps. A perfect day is filled with fast, technical, hard skiing and playing all over the mountain. Think the North Face and High Lift at Crested Butte. I have some speed skis but more and more I'm drawn to playful skis with stiff tails. Looking at those Nordica Enforcer 104s to pick up, and I have some line Sick Days 110s I like. Maybe steal the K2 Marksman from my teenager now and then. So not speed machines.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm torn. I feel like without cranking racer turns all the time I don't need the 130s. But I really don't want to be folding these things either.

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