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  1. #2576
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    While the amounts of snow required to sled appear to be eons away still in this neck of the woods, I'm prepping for the season of sledding. I bought a Pilot DS-2 ski to kit to replace my thrashed DS6.9 stock skis on my 08 Summit 800. A few things I learned and a few questions.

    1. Installing the ski loops with a c-clamp sucks. Is there a better way to do this? Tried using a threaded rod through the inserts and nut and washer on both ends and tightening. Worked a tad, but then the rod snapped under the tension. Installing both inserts at the same time with a c-clamp sucks more than installing one at a time with a c-clamp.

    2. The existing axle ski appears to be too short to sit flush against the bushings on both skis, both for the existing and current skis. There's a washer (well, actually only 3/4 of a washer is left for whatever reason, apparently ~1/4 of the washer broke away on both skis) acting as an additional spacer.
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    The 3/4 washer was between the spacer (part 14) and the leg (part 12). The kit comes with only a new nylon nut, skis, loops and carbides. As far as I can tell, the assembly should be (from R->L): bolt->washer->ski->leg & axle flush to ski-> spacer -> ski flush to spacer -> nut. It's my belief that parts 2 & 13 (cushions) are part of the ski bushings as I don't see how else they would fit from the schematic, but maybe I'm wrong.

    ETA: this is what photos of the cushions look like from amazon, which specifies it as a bushing cushion and looks like the bushings on the ski.

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    This is a photo of the finacee's skis. Mine looked the same except for the 3/4 remaining washer acting as a spacer between the specified spacer and axle on both skis. On one side I had to chisel the damn washer off.

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    This photo shows the gap (on the lookers right side of the ski) between bushing and axle in the new assembly.

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    Anyways, I'm hopeful the shop will have an answer for me but it's not local and I only am able to easily pop in when work takes me up that way during the day. I need at least one new axle and spacer regardless as one set has rusted/fused together and no amount of penetrant has had any effect. Hitting it with a hammer and chisel has only served to damage the parts. Am I missing some parts? Skidoo says that this ski goes with the XP... Presumably this gap is no bueno as a) I don't want my skis to be able to move L/R independent of the arms and b) to maintain lubrication keeping water out would be a good idea.

    Thanks for any ideas.
    "...if you're not doing a double flip cork something, skiing spines in Haines, or doing double flip cork somethings off spines in Haines, you're pretty much just gaping."

  2. #2577
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    Maggot snowmobile thread

    There most definitely should be a pair of bushings in the ski. I dont believe there are any washers on the axel ( at least there are none on an xm) Click image for larger version. 

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    The bushings are part of the ski, I have gone through 3 pairs, all had the bushing installed ( and nothing else )

    As for the grab rings, I have always just used bolts to secure them, way easier (and cheaper ) than the OEM rivet.
    "Its not the arrow, its the Indian" - M.Pinto

  3. #2578
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    ^^^ Yeah, that's what my new skis look like, too. I'll investigate further with the shop via ye old mobile phone tomorrow, see if they have any thoughts on the matter.

    And yeah, I think that'll be what I go to in the future for the loops - got them in this time but won't go to that trouble again.

    Is there a specific torque the carbide nuts should be torqued to? Or is it just "tight"?
    "...if you're not doing a double flip cork something, skiing spines in Haines, or doing double flip cork somethings off spines in Haines, you're pretty much just gaping."

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    Whats a torque wrench ?

    Tight sounds right.
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  5. #2580
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    You should get new bolts for the skis as well with nuts, washers etc. Good idea to grease and take apart as the rubber that goes between the ski and spindle often needs to be replaced. Also makes life way easier. And I don't run carbines, just the metal runners. The glance off rocks better and while living in the rockies I hit rocks often or wear them out on access. Cheap too , 40$.

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  6. #2581
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    On the topic of skis... anyone ever gouged the lateral plastic of the ski and made a good repair? I stupidly cut out the gouged section, so thereís a curved indentation now that seems like it could easily snag on stuff. Any ideas? Thinking about dremeling and beveljng unless thereís a better idea out there. Thanks!


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  7. #2582
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    Cut smooth with knife and forget it. Or jbweld or new ski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashidy View Post
    Cut smooth with knife and forget it. Or jbweld or new ski.

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    I just trimmed mine with a knife when that happened - didn't think about it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by crashidy View Post
    You should get new bolts for the skis as well with nuts, washers etc. Good idea to grease and take apart as the rubber that goes between the ski and spindle often needs to be replaced. Also makes life way easier. And I don't run carbines, just the metal runners. The glance off rocks better and while living in the rockies I hit rocks often or wear them out on access. Cheap too , 40$.

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    Why new bolts and washers? Ski kit came with new nuts, so set there but the bolts and existing washer look fine to me - plenty of grease on the bolt still when I disassembled (I assume white lithium grease is fine during reassembly?). And yeah, I went with new rubbers - stay safe out there kids. Now that I think about it, it was just metal running bars the kit came with - no carbides.
    "...if you're not doing a double flip cork something, skiing spines in Haines, or doing double flip cork somethings off spines in Haines, you're pretty much just gaping."

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    Great day out on the new toy.

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    I thought the bolts were seized stuck, my bad.

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    ^ Nah, just the spacer seized to the axle sheathe (in the diagram above it was part 8 and 14 that seized together).

    Sweet photo Shredhead - looks like an amazing day.
    "...if you're not doing a double flip cork something, skiing spines in Haines, or doing double flip cork somethings off spines in Haines, you're pretty much just gaping."

  12. #2587
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredhead View Post
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    Great day out on the new toy.
    Damn nice pic! that's what I envisioned when I bought my sled..getting into the backcountry w some buddies for some turns...but haven't made it a priority or let stuff get in the way, at least thus far.

    anyway, I read about Grant's cabin a while ago being closed. something about a lame land ownership issue w the county. did the owner ever get it squared away?

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    snowmobile buy

    Which snowmobile is best to buy?

  14. #2589
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    Quote Originally Posted by ma30b7 View Post
    Which snowmobile is best to buy?
    One that works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ma30b7 View Post
    Which snowmobile is best to buy?
    Try again with a little more detail maggot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ma30b7 View Post
    Which snowmobile is best to buy?
    The red one.

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    choice between BRP Ski-Doo Summit X T3 and Yamaha Viking 540 V

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    Quote Originally Posted by ma30b7 View Post
    choice between BRP Ski-Doo Summit X T3 and Yamaha Viking 540 V
    Read the thread from start to finish and you'll have you answer. Or buy the red one that runs.

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    Maggot snowmobile thread

    Get the 540
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  20. #2595
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    Seems a good time to ask this question, as it came up today......

    please indulge my extremely forward, uneducated, quick and dirty inquiry: How much should I be paying for a 2008 summit 800 154 with 1050miles in good to very good condition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmedslc View Post
    Seems a good time to ask this question, as it came up today......

    please indulge my extremely forward, uneducated, quick and dirty inquiry: How much should I be paying for a 2008 summit 800 154 with 1050miles in good to very good condition?
    Where are you located?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashidy View Post
    Where are you located?

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    Utah

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmedslc View Post
    Utah
    You could pick one up in Alberta for around 4500 canadian in that kind of condition.

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    2008 is carburetor 800. Pass. Etec or go home

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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    2008 is carburetor 800. Pass. Etec or go home
    Ooh thatís something to consider, thanks!

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