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  1. #3826
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    Touring sled for ungroomed seems like a gamble. Especially in WA where your storms are sometimes measured in feet.

    They're totally awesome for groomed access, especially in lower snow areas (like CO). 8" on previously beat in singletrack isn't bad on a touring sled. Big windshields, multi passenger seats and quiet engines rule. They're less capable and heavier than the mountain sleds so the penalty for making errors (plopped off the trail tuning around, dead end, etc) is much greater. It's snowmobiling so you will make errors.

    2nd what adrenalated said. Figure out how other people in your area are doing, but I'd go mtn sled and add a 2up seat.

  2. #3827
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    Just as an anecdote, I was driving the ski club sled at work a couple of days after I'd been out on my M8. Tried to turn around after dropping some B-net off, misjudged the turning radius versus edge of groomed ski trail math, and promptly got properly stuck.

    Had the local college team not been on their way down from training at that point, I might've still been there the next day trying to get unstuck. The difference between getting an M8 going again and the work sled (which was a two-up touring rig of some sort) blew my mind, especially since my first thought was, "oh, I just need to lift up and slide over the ass end and I'll be good." It didn't exactly work out that way.

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  3. #3828
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    Touring sleds are great...except when they are not. Reluctant snowmobile users don't use their snowmobiles. Said a different way, its a bit of a motorhead's game. You really need to like the smell and the noise. It's called "Hatin' Nature" for a reason. You will get stuck. Shit will break.

    I'm not promoting some coal rollin' lifestyle, just trying to paint a accurate picture. You're probably not gonna want to wear your snowmobile outfit to the Greenpeace Fundraiser.

  4. #3829
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    Anyone have those wheels that attach to your skis so you can drive around without scarthching up concrete?

    I have ski slippers, but they fit poorly. Ideally I could load my sled into the truck (up the ramp), then unload it all with the wheels attached
    The whole human race is de evolving; it is due to birth control, smart people use birth control, and stupid people keep pooping out more stupid babies.

  5. #3830
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    I have these:

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    You ain't going up the ramp with them nor are you driving around with them. But they work great for rolling the sled around flat smooth surfaces. I back the truck up to the garage, set up the ramps, roll the sled up right to the ramp, remove the casters, and load. Super easy, no scratching the concrete.

  6. #3831
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    You ain't going up the ramp with them nor are you driving around with them. But they work great for rolling the sled around flat smooth surfaces. I back the truck up to the garage, set up the ramps, roll the sled up right to the ramp, remove the casters, and load. Super easy, no scratching the concrete.
    I have those, but the current setup is a real PITA and those small wheels just aren't cutting it, hoping for something that can cross a few cracks without failing
    The whole human race is de evolving; it is due to birth control, smart people use birth control, and stupid people keep pooping out more stupid babies.

  7. #3832
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    Perhaps a dolly would work. Still wouldn’t load with one however.
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    https://www.royaldistributing.com/ma...gaAoquEALw_wcB

  8. #3833
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    diy it with some sweet harbor freight tires…

    https://www.harborfreight.com/search...2425&current=1

  9. #3834
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonrider View Post
    I have those, but the current setup is a real PITA and those small wheels just aren't cutting it, hoping for something that can cross a few cracks without failing
    Fix your concrete slacker

  10. #3835
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    I have these ones: https://www.extrememax.com/product-p/5800.0200.htm. You can drive around on pavement with them, but probably not up a ramp, especially if it's a high angle, like a sled deck. We just use them to line the sled up and then pull them for the ramp braap. These ones look like you may be able to load w/ them, but spendy: https://www.svspowersports.com/produ...CABEgLvGvD_BwE.

    You can also get ski runners that do not have a carbide insert (here's the one's for current SkiDoos: https://www.denniskirk.com/woodys/to...prd/032317.sku. They will not mark up your ramp/trailer/concrete nearly as much as the OEMs and steer better than the carbides on pavement as well, but they don't last nearly as long. I go through two sets per season, using my sled pretty much every weekend.

  11. #3836
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonrider View Post
    Anyone have those wheels that attach to your skis so you can drive around without scarthching up concrete?

    I have ski slippers, but they fit poorly. Ideally I could load my sled into the truck (up the ramp), then unload it all with the wheels attached
    I have them. You'd need a smooth ramp and smooth transition to make that works. Superglides are a better solution. Drive machine so skis are touching the ramp. Take off wheels. Drive up ramp. Done.
    "...if you're not doing a double flip cork something, skiing spines in Haines, or doing double flip cork somethings off spines in Haines, you're pretty much just gaping."

  12. #3837
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    Touring sleds are great...except when they are not. Reluctant snowmobile users don't use their snowmobiles. Said a different way, its a bit of a motorhead's game. You really need to like the smell and the noise. It's called "Hatin' Nature" for a reason. You will get stuck. Shit will break.

    I'm not promoting some coal rollin' lifestyle, just trying to paint a accurate picture. You're probably not gonna want to wear your snowmobile outfit to the Greenpeace Fundraiser.
    My wife always tells me I smell like 2-stroke after a day on machines. I take it as a compliment. I'm not certain she means it in a positive way...
    "...if you're not doing a double flip cork something, skiing spines in Haines, or doing double flip cork somethings off spines in Haines, you're pretty much just gaping."

  13. #3838
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    A friend of a friend is willing to sell a 09 or 10 skidoo summit Everest 154 for pretty cheap (TBD), he likely babied it trail riding, it has a passenger backrest, unknown hours/ miles at this time, it's also has sat for 3 or 4 years.
    Likely carb rebuild needed, belt, good going over, look for obvious damage to steering, etc..

    Any gotchas to look for on this gen/ model? Iirc some doo engines around this era were crap?

  14. #3839
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    Quote Originally Posted by heckacali View Post
    A friend of a friend is willing to sell a 09 or 10 skidoo summit Everest 154 for pretty cheap (TBD), he likely babied it trail riding, it has a passenger backrest, unknown hours/ miles at this time, it's also has sat for 3 or 4 years.
    Likely carb rebuild needed, belt, good going over, look for obvious damage to steering, etc..

    Any gotchas to look for on this gen/ model? Iirc some doo engines around this era were crap?
    Those motors need the crank bearings greased.

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  15. #3840
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    Is that code for them having crappy bearings?

  16. #3841
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    Quote Originally Posted by heckacali View Post
    Is that code for them having crappy bearings?
    Sort of, just the design of the motor.

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  17. #3842
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    Quote Originally Posted by pano-dude View Post
    Sort of, just the design of the motor.

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    It's an easy job. Fuck carbs BTW.

  18. #3843
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    Fuck carbs. If you have the cash get something without carbs. I don't miss the days when I had to pull for 5 minutes after rolling my sled, trying to hold the throttle wide open with one hand and pull the rope with the other.
    The whole human race is de evolving; it is due to birth control, smart people use birth control, and stupid people keep pooping out more stupid babies.

  19. #3844
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    I have these dolly's https://www.discountramps.com/black-...hoCLsgQAvD_BwE

    They are pretty decent. You can roll around of asphalt. I've used them to load a trailer but I wouldn't suggest it. I made a little transition piece to get between the garage and the drive way. There are some that have larger inflatable wheels that look like they would be great?

    Re: loading I've seen a lot of bad shit go down. Pay attention and be careful. "Hey, do you want any help with that?" "I'm good" = full whisky up the deck ramp through the window. Traction ramps work. Brakes work.

  20. #3845
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wapow View Post
    I have these ones: https://www.extrememax.com/product-p/5800.0200.htm. You can drive around on pavement with them, but probably not up a ramp, especially if it's a high angle, like a sled deck. We just use them to line the sled up and then pull them for the ramp braap. These ones look like you may be able to load w/ them, but spendy: https://www.svspowersports.com/produ...CABEgLvGvD_BwE.

    You can also get ski runners that do not have a carbide insert (here's the one's for current SkiDoos: https://www.denniskirk.com/woodys/to...prd/032317.sku. They will not mark up your ramp/trailer/concrete nearly as much as the OEMs and steer better than the carbides on pavement as well, but they don't last nearly as long. I go through two sets per season, using my sled pretty much every weekend.
    How do you the ski runners without carbides run on packed snow/ice?

  21. #3846
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmor View Post
    How do you the ski runners without carbides run on packed snow/ice?
    Still need steel wear bars or the sled won't turn worth shit.
    I won't run carbides ever, they catch on anything and everything.


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  22. #3847
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    Quote Originally Posted by pano-dude View Post
    Still need steel wear bars or the sled won't turn worth shit.
    I won't run carbides ever, they catch on anything and everything.


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    And torqued a-arms are the result. Front end reinforcement helps, but those carbides sure love to seek out any mineral to grab a hold of in early/shallow snowpacks.

  23. #3848
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    Drove across the state and left my skidoo key behind. Had a spare from another sled. Went to the dealer and they reprogrammed it for $45. Stoked on that. Needed a spare for this sled anyway.

  24. #3849
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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    Drove across the state and left my skidoo key behind. Had a spare from another sled. Went to the dealer and they reprogrammed it for $45. Stoked on that. Needed a spare for this sled anyway.
    I was told this was like $500 by a friend so be super careful with the keys... What year sled?

  25. #3850
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    Quote Originally Posted by nortonwhis View Post
    I was told this was like $500 by a friend so be super careful with the keys... What year sled?
    2018. Last time I bought a key it was less than $100 so I would say $150 not $500.

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