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  1. #3426
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    Nope but I'm going to check it out.
    People should learn endurance; they should learn to endure the discomforts of heat and cold, hunger and thirst; they should learn to be patient when receiving abuse and scorn; for it is the practice of endurance that quenches the fire of worldly passions which is burning up their bodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuckerman View Post
    I still follow Outlaw crossfit in the afternoon and Christian Thibaudeau workout "The Complete Power Look Program". Then tons of accessory work, spinning with free time. They are normally shutting the lights off on me now at the gym so they can go home.
    Overtraining is still your primary goal I see? The divorce is final, you don't need to hide from your wife at the gym any more.

    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    (did UTMB last year)
    Sick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Overtraining is still your primary goal I see? The divorce is final, you don't need to hide from your wife at the gym any more.



    Sick!
    Wait, to be clear, the SkiFit PT did UTMB last year. Not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Overtraining is still your primary goal I see? The divorce is final, you don't need to hide from your wife at the gym any more.
    Its not too bad conditioning in the afternoon and strength at night. Plus over training is not really even a thing from what I can tell. The gym is now like my 2nd home, all my friends are there kind of like how some people go to the local bar. Funny side note one of the women who Im friends with at he gym is a figure competitor, I asked her one night if she had any single friends. She laughed and said "look around, these are all my friends. I have not time friends." shes kind of right the same 5 -6 people are there consistently at the gym we are I guess friends at this point. My GFs school load keeps her from having lots a free time so it works for both of us.
    People should learn endurance; they should learn to endure the discomforts of heat and cold, hunger and thirst; they should learn to be patient when receiving abuse and scorn; for it is the practice of endurance that quenches the fire of worldly passions which is burning up their bodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuckerman View Post
    The gym is now like my 2nd home, all my friends are there... the same 5 -6 people are there consistently at the gym we are I guess friends at this point
    This is the attitude/mentality that leads people to mock crossfit - there is more to life than lifting weights. Tried crossfit for a couple months and this was the sort of attitude/mentality that prevented me from continuing with it. While I do go to the gym, I'm not training to be a professional athlete - just want to be able to do the sports/activities I enjoy.
    "...if you're not doing a double flip cork something, skiing spines in Haines, or doing double flip cork somethings off spines in Haines, you're pretty much just gaping."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    Wait, to be clear, the SkiFit PT did UTMB last year. Not me.
    Whoops....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuckerman View Post
    Plus over training is not really even a thing from what I can tell.
    It most certainly is a thing. Your body has a training "budget" and overspending has consequences.

    Quote Originally Posted by shafty85 View Post
    While I do go to the gym, I'm not training to be a professional athlete - just want to be able to do the sports/activities I enjoy.
    This. While I don't necessarily dislike the gym, I mostly consider it a necessary evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tye 1on View Post
    Still hitting Crystal's gym 2/week. We hit floor presses w kb's pretty hard over the winter so saw a 20# jump in bench. Can't seem to push cleans past 135, kind of frustrating. Feeling good and staying injury-free (knock wood). Snapt has been crushing it over the hill.
    As others have said, it sounds like technique is keeping you from getting your clean weight up. I was stuck around 155# for way too long. Then I fixed the loss of momentum between my first and second pull which quickly allowed me to clean over 200#.

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    i do this and add a press
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    i dont get why a lot of people squat - i guess that the Olympic style clean

    i havent tried more than 135 as that is most i can press right now.... best is about 6 maybe 7 one time on the 1st set -- its a killer and nobody does it

    the bar from the floor up to the ceiling
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitaldeath View Post
    i do this and add a press
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    i dont get why a lot of people squat - i guess that the Olympic style clean

    i havent tried more than 135 as that is most i can press right now.... best is about 6 maybe 7 one time on the 1st set -- its a killer and nobody does it

    the bar from the floor up to the ceiling
    Clean and press or clean and jerk - might be called that. Also, the squat is added to increase the ability to lift. Legs are strong. Learn the squat clean it will help your lifting skills. Learn the jerk as well.

    Get some lifting coaching. You probably have guys who specialize in strength and know (and like) those lifts. Good form is really important. You can do a strength feature before the WOD a few, maybe times per week. Mix it up. You will find that your leg work will complement your upper body. We bench once every two weeks or so. Then we do dead lifts, front squats and back squats with a variety of sets and reps. I get a lot from lifting. Be careful not to over train with lifting.

    Are you using bumper plates?

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    In other news, after 2 years and 1 1/2 months I randomly got my first bar muscle up today! And then I did another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    It most certainly is a thing. Your body has a training "budget" and overspending has consequences.
    Yeah you are right everyone is different. I have been rolling this way for many years now and it works for me.

    Goal is 225 clean, deadlift 5 plates, 300 bench press by the end of summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stalefish3169 View Post
    In other news, after 2 years and 1 1/2 months I randomly got my first bar muscle up today! And then I did another one.
    Nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by rather ripped View Post
    Nice
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuckerman View Post
    Yeah you are right everyone is different. I have been rolling this way for many years now and it works for me.

    Goal is 225 clean, deadlift 5 plates, 300 bench press by the end of summer.
    That is a pretty weird clean to deadlift ratio. Anybody that can deadlift 495# should be able to clean a lot more than 225# since they are both heavily dependent on the hamstrings. How is your power/squat clean form??

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalefish3169 View Post
    That is a pretty weird clean to deadlift ratio. Anybody that can deadlift 495# should be able to clean a lot more than 225# since they are both heavily dependent on the hamstrings. How is your power/squat clean form??
    Power/squat clean?? My power clean is great but my squat clean is the suck. I mostly lack confidence I have been told. Im scared it will crush me..
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    what do you front squat? But yeah you should clean more. Likely a technique thing. But I don't get the power vs squat clean dofference. Anything after 245 i squat clean just on principle (unless workout mandates PC) just to make the thinking easy. All out squat, not quarter or half
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    Getting ready for the Master's Qualifier this weekend. Just coming off a 2 week beast of a cold, so not feeling very ready, but it is what it is. Workouts are announced tomorrow night. Gonna be an ass-kicker of a weekend.

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    Good luck dude!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stalefish3169 View Post
    That is a pretty weird clean to deadlift ratio. Anybody that can deadlift 495# should be able to clean a lot more than 225# since they are both heavily dependent on the hamstrings. How is your power/squat clean form??
    Volume of training could be a factor, as could genetics. Heavy deadlifts are a slow movement and a good clean requires fast power. Lots of cardio and endurance lifting limits power generation and speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    Volume of training could be a factor, as could genetics. Heavy deadlifts are a slow movement and a good clean requires fast power. Lots of cardio and endurance lifting limits power generation and speed.
    Yeah, certainly genetics and physiology are factors, but I would say that most people I know who can pull 5 plates are cleaning a lot closer to 300 pounds than 200.

    Edit: This is not a putdown towards Tuckerman at all...just a curious observation. : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalefish3169 View Post
    That is a pretty weird clean to deadlift ratio. Anybody that can deadlift 495# should be able to clean a lot more than 225# since they are both heavily dependent on the hamstrings. How is your power/squat clean form??
    Agreed. My deadlift PR is 395#. Clean (squat) PR is 225#. That's a pretty standard differential. You've obviously got the strength. Now it sounds like some technique work is in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalefish3169 View Post

    Edit: This is not a putdown towards Tuckerman at all...just a curious observation. : )
    Yeah see now Im going to have to go 3 times a day, thanks.
    People should learn endurance; they should learn to endure the discomforts of heat and cold, hunger and thirst; they should learn to be patient when receiving abuse and scorn; for it is the practice of endurance that quenches the fire of worldly passions which is burning up their bodies.
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    Tuck stop doing all that fucking cardio!
    Decisions Decisions

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    Pretty good article on ballistic exercise benefits

    http://www.strengthandconditioningre...c-performance/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibij View Post
    Agreed. My deadlift PR is 395#. Clean (squat) PR is 225#. That's a pretty standard differential. You've obviously got the strength. Now it sounds like some technique work is in order.
    I think it depends a lot on body type too. I could do 3x 435 fairly easily on the deadlift a few years back when I was lifting some (for 160 lbs so quite good) but I never could clean more than 185. Technique / commitment was probably an issue but I also have a big ass vs. weak shoulders

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