PETA sinks to lowest levels yet!

[Smokey McPole]

Yeah - as far as the whole anti-hunting thing is concerned - I'd guess I'd much rather get shot than get ripped apart by wolves or die of starvation. It's true there are some hunters who kill for fun and it's also true that many of them are really poor shots. It'd be nice if there were some kind of marksmanship qualification for a hunting license, but that's kinda unreasonable. Here in WI if deer hunting were stopped there would be a massive die-off due to starvation. That's pretty much the story everywhere else. I like meat. I'd rather eat an animal that lived a free life out in the wild and was shot than and animal that lived in a fenced in mudhole and was pumped full of chemicals.

Guys like BD who have this freaky Bambi view of what nature is really like crack me up. If you wanna see violence and killing, just hang out in the woods.

[summit]

OK, I'll bite. How is slaughtering a human so much different than slaughtering an animal? Please enlighten me. Yeah, I'm sure the family of the murdered man doesn't appreciate their dead son being compared to a slaughtered cow, but the fact remains there are similarities.

Lower order bred for and killed humanely for sustenance versus same species killed brutally out psychosis... if you cannot see the difference, seek professional help before the hunger returns.

Leela: "Animals eat other animals. It's nature."
Hippy: "No it isn't. We taught a lion to eat tofu."
Emaciated Lion: *cough* *pause* *cough*

Look... PETA is a group that compared eating meat to the HOLOCAUST
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast...eta.holocaust/

It's the same group who handed out "You mommy and daddy are MURDERERS" cartoon booklets to kids.

Fanatic Militant Moralistic Veganism is a cult.

Humanity, mercy, equality, and morality are all human constructs.

No one NEEDS to eat animals, the benefit that comes from eating animals can be had in other ways - so doesn't that make the animals' death wasteful and unnecessary?

Nobody NEEDS to ski... oh wait... doesn't that make the trees cut down for runs wasteful and unnecessary?

But coming from you, such idiocy is no surprise.

^^^
I want to make a suit out of Amanda Beard

It puts the lotion on it's skin?

[Voice for the Animals]

I dont support PETA because they are not radical enough for me, they are way too mainstream.

They sold out long ago to the man.

[moose pit]

This is fucking unbelievable.
They should have stopped the bus locked every nutjob on it and set it on fire.


Border guards to turn away church group aiming to picket bus victim's funeral
Last Updated: Friday, August 8, 2008 | 9:09 AM CT

CBC News

Canadian border guards are under orders to prevent members of a fundamentalist American church from crossing into Canada to protest at the funeral Saturday of a Winnipeg man brutally killed on a Greyhound bus last week.

Westboro Baptist Church, a controversial Kansas-based sect, intends to picket the funeral of 22-year-old Tim McLean to tell Canadians his slaying on July 30 was God's response to Canadian policies enabling abortion, homosexuality and adultery.

"God is punishing Canada for passing laws against WBC — by exposing Canadians as cannibals and highway decapitaters," the church says in a news release on its website, which refers to McLean as "The Headless Canadian."

Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day's office sent an alert to border patrol to "look out" for people with signs and pamphlets consistent with the messages that the church promotes and to keep them out of the country, Winnipeg MP Pat Martin told CBC News on Friday.

"Entering Canada by a U.S. citizen isn't an absolute right, and if you're coming here only to disrupt the social order and to promote what we consider to be bordering on hate crimes or hate language, they shouldn't come into Canada," Martin said.

"We're not going to allow these people to compound the tragedy of the McLean family loss, and Canadians simply won't tolerate these lunatics disrupting what should be a respectful service."

Freedom of speech is not absolute, Martin said.

"Your freedom to swing your arm in the air ends when it touches the end of my nose," he said. "What these people were going to do was hurtful, harmful and disruptive to the peace, order and good government that we guarantee to our citizens, so they have no place in this country."

A counter-protest against the church's picket plans was launched on the social networking site Facebook on Thursday. More than 500 people have since joined the group; postings indicate they plan to form a "human wall" around the family to shield them from the church protest, if it takes place.

The Westboro Baptist Church and its founder, Pastor Fred Phelps, gained infamy by protesting gay-pride rallies and the funerals of people who have died from AIDS-related illnesses.

In recent years, church members have also picketed the funerals of American soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, claiming the deaths are also God's punishment for the country's tolerance for homosexuality.

[steve]

in case anyone doesn't know, phelps/westboro are the crazies behind godhatesfags.com, who as I pointed out are disturbingly similar to peta in this regard..

[iscariot]

Dude, I used to work on a farm and when slaughter time came, it meant people were being fed. No, i didn't enjoy shooting/throating/gutting animals but it's all part of the circle. It needs to be done and somebody has to man up and make it happen. When people are slaughtered, nobody benefits. Everyone loses and only sick, depraved people kill other people for a "cause". THAT'S the difference, jackass. Human life is very precious and if you think the deaths dealt to animals in the wild are in any way more humane then the ones they get from us, drink some antifreeze- I hear it cures your particular brand of stupidity. Show some goddam respect for the dead.

What if a person is killed by a cougar. Then the cougar gets a meal. What if Hitler was never killed. what are the benefits of that? That's useful in the circle of life. Life IS A CIRCLE, not a triangle with humans at the top.



I agree with the first part of your post. but with the "human life is precious" I disagree. Humans are a dime a dozen. We are overpopulating the world, polluting the air we breathe and the planet at unsustainable rates. The Earth is overpopulated with Humans. We are no more special than any other animal or plant on it. We simply think we are. The Earth will be here long after humans, as a species, are gone. I just hope we don't take everything else down with us before we go.

My sincere condolences and sympathies go out to the victim and his family and friends. I hope that they have the strength to get through this tough time. Life will never be the same for them, but then it never is for any of us. I hope they use death of their loved one to create something positive. Perhaps a fund or charity to help family's of violent crimes AND to also help victims of mental illness. If society took care of the mentally ill better, or at all, many of these types of crimes could be prevented.

We are all responsible for the planet that sustains us, and are responsible for the stewardship of everything on it...animals, plants, the environment in general, AND each other.

I tend to agree with this post in the forum at the bottom of the supplied link:

Initial post:
"Has PETA ever considered the brutality of how animals kill other animals? Ever seen an ungulate devoured by a cougar?....pretty brutal....or maybe how male lions will tear apart thier cubs when the lioness is not around. Maybe PETA should have a "sit down" with all predatory species to eliminate violence in nature and then we can have a perfect happy blissful fantasy utopia where it rains gumdrops and we fish for apples in a river of chocolate fudge."


Reply:
So many people use this argument to justify humanities lack of consideration toward animals and animal issues. This argument is ridiculous in light of the fact that humans are 'supposed' to be intelligent creatures, endowed with the abilities of compassion, empathy, reason, and love.

It is convenient that you compare yourself to animals when it suites you. And you elevate yourself above animals when it suites you. I don't care what animals do to each other. I am human, I have the self-awareness to be compassionate, loving, and empathetic. I, along with many others, choose to be those things. And your arguments say that we are fools. Go fool yourself.

[Smacky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8cN2pB3MCE
A hilarious video of one of the guys from the Chaser's War on Everything flirting with one of the Westboro members. It made me laugh.

[DoWork]

What if a person is killed by a cougar. Then the cougar gets a meal. What if Hitler was never killed. what are the benefits of that? That's useful in the circle of life. Life IS A CIRCLE, not a triangle with humans at the top...

blah, blah, blah...

It is convenient that you compare yourself to animals when it suites you. And you elevate yourself above animals when it suites you. I don't care what animals do to each other. I am human, I have the self-awareness to be compassionate, loving, and empathetic. I, along with many others, choose to be those things. And your arguments say that we are fools. Go fool yourself.

I understand what you're getting at, and I agree that people suck in general, but dude... they're animals. I have the self awareness to be compassionate and empathetic but I also know I like steak and don't particularly think cows are cool. Have you ever had to care for a hundred of the fuckers? If not, you can never know how much cooler they are in the little white packages in the deli. That's all I can really say about that, I didn't really get most of the stuff you just ranted.

If you don't think human life is particularly precious, I'm guessing you've never lost a friend or relative. It ain't the same as losing a pet.

[Smokey McPole]

If you don't think human life is particularly precious, I'm guessing you've never lost a friend or relative. It ain't the same as losing a pet.

Yes it is. I guess it's all a matter of perspective..

[iscariot]

If you don't think human life is particularly precious, I'm guessing you've never lost a friend or relative. It ain't the same as losing a pet.

Lost people:
Best Friend to Leukemia I was 7 years old he was 7years old. (2 year battle)
Roommate to diabetic coma I was 21 years old.
Aunt to Breast Cancer I was 28 years old. (5 1/2 year battle)
Both Grand parents on fathers side. (Heart attacks)
Friend to ski accident I was 31 years old.
Friend to car accident I was 31 years old.

Lost pets:
2 Birds
Countless fish
1 Kitten
3 Hamsters
1 Guinea pig
1 Dog

I've had my share of very close people that I've lost.
I look back and enjoy the time I had with them. I celebrate their lives and their positive effects on my by living everyday knowing that they've had an affect on who I am.

I've stopped crying at funerals. I actually look at it as a time to celebrate life because you never know when you could go. We're their lives precious? Not moreso or less than anyone or anything else. I just happened to know them.

Everything and body has to die. It is the circle of life. I just happen to think humans shit in the bed and bite the hand (planet) that gives and sustains their lives.

[iscariot]

I'd rather eat an animal that lived a free life out in the wild and was shot than and animal that lived in a fenced in mudhole and was pumped full of chemicals.

I never thought I would type this...

Ready?...


Jer. I agree.

[Tuckerman]

PeTA you got to admit some of the stuff they pull is pretty good.
http://www.news10.net/news/story.asp...=47316&catid=2

"Metcalf, proud mother to four dogs, including her new puppy, called the number and was shocked to hear the recording.

The message said, "To receive a free body bag representing the dog that was killed in an animal shelter when you bought your puppy, please leave your address after the tone."

The ad, listed under the name ABC Puppy Products, was a fake, placed by PETA to get its message into the mainstream."

haha

[Tuckerman]

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[TeleHoar]

We are no more special than any other animal or plant on it. We simply think we are. The Earth will be here long after humans, as a species, are gone. I just hope we don't take everything else down with us before we go.

We are all responsible for the planet that sustains us, and are responsible for the stewardship of everything on it...animals, plants, the environment in general, AND each other.

^^^These two statement contradict each other.
If we are just another animal then anything we do is "natural" including ruining the earth.

Or, we are a bit different, a bit special and should hold ourselves higher as stewards for those less fortunate.

We think we are special because we have the abstract thought process that allows us to notice that we are different. If we are just part of the "circle" of life and just another predator on the food chain then who cares about the critters we eat? Nature doesn't care...it just adapts and moves on.

Either we are different or we are not...pick one.

[iscariot]

We think we are special though we are not. We have cognitive thought and can be responsible to live in balance with other life on this planet. We don't. Most life on the planet manages, through biological checks and balances, to live in equilibrium with their environment. Population ebb and flow. Humans no longer live within the sustainable means of the Earth. The population collapse will be amazing. Through cognitive thought we have the foresight to live within sustainable means, yet we do not.

We are not more or less special than other life on Earth...we have a responsibility to ourselves, if survival as a species is our goal, to live in balance with what the planet can sustain.

No contradiction.