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  1. #251
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    Thanks OG...! Last night was really bad and maybe got 1 1/2 hrs of sleep... I think I turned the corner a bit this afternoon but I spoke to my Surgeons office and if things are still not under control they are going to try something different...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ::: ::: View Post
    Out of surgery

    Iím sooo fucking happy it is done

    Totally worth it


    More later

    one year later

    leg strength is poor, but it moves so I just need to keep working on it.
    i road bike 4x/wk [I can't really stand in "ready position" for mtb for any length of time] & have been playing tennis with the mrs 2x/wk.
    no running in the cards atm, but that is still on my radar as a goal.
    i skied <10x this past winter, so I'm hoping for more outings this coming winter...if covid backs off enough

    just amazing how different things are from then & how my condition changed in less than a week just a year ago

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    Thats good youre still moving forward without setbacks. After the 2 year mark without going into spasm i found a measurable gain in stability.
    More recent im noticing the dad bod happening. Not all bad though. From my lower back injury s1, L3,4,5 ,and the subsequent focus on really stabilizing it, and the 2 year all out core exercises and extra stretching my mind now intuitively fires the core more than it normaly would. Its a nice safety mechanism thats paid dividends now 12 years after that all out 2 year cycle. 6 years ago i compressed and shattered/broke 4 vertabrae, t 4,5,6,7 and because its mid back and the ribs give suppotrt and the back doesnt flex much there it healed fairly well and only occasionally causes discomfort. Long days with a pack on and i feel it but its fine after a day..
    Getting back to the recent dad bod transformation, a result of that core focus way back when and my extra intuitive firing of the core muscles , out of a deep seated fear probably, ive noticed my upper stomach core muscles are extra developed in front of those thorassic fractures. I have a few extra lbs but not a lot but those extra upper stomach muscles hang my T shirt out like there's a belly below. Like an extra spinal curve. I take it as a good thing. Its kind of reassuring that all that focus i put in during that extensive 2 year stability training is paying dividends i never would havre thought would happen beyond the initial lower back pt
    Just something ive noticed more recently and maybe it relates to your injury eben though they all seem diffeeent. I still stretch one or 2 sessions daily but i don't stress too much on the injury at this point. I guess ive learned the perimeters and subconsciously stay within them/touch wood

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    i'm less worried about back stability now & more about general strength & balance
    i really wish the gym were open -- i have zero equipment at home
    i suppose i could do a shitload of bodyweight squats, lunges & such, but I've just been cycling

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    I'd just focus on having daily core exercises. It doesnt have to be elaborate. The goal is to fire them repeatedly. By doing the repition it gets beat into your brain and becomes intuition. After it becomes intuitive whenever you do all those lifting or dynamic movements youre thinking of doing the core automatically fires and protects the injury. I think you relly have to be careful lifting weights or dynamic movement exercise until the intuitiveness is there. Im mostly focused on safety and health but completely because core equals balance and thats a rewarding feature. That was me and we're all different but when i got back on skis it was strictly touring for a couple years. A lot less dynamic than flying around the hill pounding hard pack and doing a lot of dynamic recovery at speed. Walking is what our bodies are designed for and that really aligns the spine. Climbing a skin track is a perpetual state of little core firing as you find traction every step and then skiing pow is soft , slower, and easy so i could limit any dynamic balance recovery at the slower speed and just always be smooth. Hard to always be smooth ripping around the resort. At some point on the resort reinjury is at risk. Risk vs reward balance i guess. Early touring season it was one day on with my stretches and one set of core exercises and one day off touring just stretching and core. Flexible on that schedule though.
    Id say any kind of weight bearing activity would be directly proportional to the amount of core focused base a person has. Totally different muscle groups. Your major muscles (back arms legs etc) are what you conciously activate to lift yourself or something. The little core muscles surrounding the spine are fired subconsciously. You shouldnt have to think to have them fire and protect, stabilize or balance. I had 4 of the simplest core exercises that i could do during hockey game commercial breaks. The whole goal is repitition not weight bearing. It has to be beat into the brain

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    It's nice to have weights but I've never felt I needed them. I've forgotten enough exercises and stretches to write a blank book. My only issue is doing the workout. grinch - we have a lot in common with the numerous back injuries. (I don't suppose you gave my suggestion for st. john's wort oil on the spinal injuries every day for a year any consideration, didya?) I like how you talk about some previously unnoticed core ab muscles appearing. Sifu Lee showed me a great arching/bending pushup with feet up on a chair that builds an X of muscles over the solar plexus. Its so cool to see that shit manifest. I still have a couple joints I haven't totally fucked up but I have some trials ahead with my left hip, which a cat scan showed as wearing out. I feel it if I miss a stretch session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splat View Post
    It's nice to have weights but I've never felt I needed them. I've forgotten enough exercises and stretches to write a blank book. My only issue is doing the workout. grinch - we have a lot in common with the numerous back injuries. (I don't suppose you gave my suggestion for st. john's wort oil on the spinal injuries every day for a year any consideration, didya?) I like how you talk about some previously unnoticed core ab muscles appearing. Sifu Lee showed me a great arching/bending pushup with feet up on a chair that builds an X of muscles over the solar plexus. Its so cool to see that shit manifest. I still have a couple joints I haven't totally fucked up but I have some trials ahead with my left hip, which a cat scan showed as wearing out. I feel it if I miss a stretch session.
    Ive never tried that. I should though, i think its just over the counter? I used to put arnica on for a time but i didnt find it did a lot. Injury was more acute then. I may notice it now. I put a few drops of cbd in my morning coffee and thats been good for all the body aches and pains. I keep looking at your cbd creme but cross border shipping atm is sketchy at best. I can balance the day with my standard stretching. My exercises are nothing fancy but i remenber them and it doesnt take anything to do them . One of the 4 is a special one. Out of all the pt's that ive seen , the last one was an ex national team xc skier girl. Super good at her job and very smart. She showed me one exercise that fires all the tiny muscles that link the vertabrae together. At every vertabrae theres one on either side of the spine from head to ass. I cant think theyred be another way to fire those little stabilizers but what a difference that made on my wirst injury. I havent had to do it in a while but i think im still reaping the benefits of those. Most of my problem now is just realing myself in and dont be an idiot trying to do too much. Mega battle there

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    If you have an s/o get some organic st john's wort and give it go. So hard to do the spine without help.

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    Putting it on the grocery list for sure. Curious now. Thanks for that

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    I had disc issues a couple years ago, the PT told me it was from years of abuse bending forward to ski/ bike/ run saw/ whatever. Besides some regular PT visits she told me to do nothing for 2 months, the only home exercise was cobra pose to bend the spine back the other way or lying on an ice pak watching netflix and wandering over to the craft brew was as much as I could handle

    treatment worked 100% bike , paddle, I was even able to run saw that fall

    whenever I do Cobra I can always hear the spine click once
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    I had disc issues a couple years ago, the PT told me it was from years of abuse bending forward to ski/ bike/ run saw/ whatever. Besides some regular PT visits she told me to do nothing for 2 months, the only home exercise was cobra pose to bend the spine back the other way or lying on an ice pak watching netflix and wandering over to the craft brew was as much as I could handle

    treatment worked 100% bike , paddle, I was even able to run saw that fall

    whenever I do Cobra I can always hear the spine click once
    Out of curiosity, how long did it to take you to rebuild the muscle mass and cardiovascular fitness you lost taking two months completely off like that?

    If for some reason I have to take 5 days or a week off from working out, I feel like it takes me several weeks/up to a month to regain what I lost in that little bit of downtime. If I took two months off I would be a blob of jello. That being said, I'm not genetically/physiologically "gifted" as an athlete, so my experience may be unique.
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    I was off july & august, to get back did a little time in the gym, 9 days running the saw for ski passes, skied a bunch of days OK did a hut trip in the B group, I could feel that I was pushing conditioning so skiing and hiking into shape instead of being in shape but I did ok
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