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09-28-2022, 07:03 PM #76Registered User
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Ugh, if it wasn’t so goddamn heavy I’d throw it in the car with bikes and head south soon!🤣
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09-29-2022, 08:11 AM #77
We have had an RCF Chameleon since 2007 new construction. It’s kind of a hybrid fireplace with a catalytic system. We have only stowed the glass door a few times. It heats our 1700 sqf well without a blower. I think the best part of my setup though is the long straight double insulated straight pipe, so I am just jumping in here to say I think the pipe is one of the most important parts of the set up. We had to have the super expensive chimney because it is a chaise and needed extra length to get clearance from the roof peak. I am happy we had to invest in it though because every time we sweep it, we learn we just waisted our time and it was clean as a whistle, but we still sweep it every third year or so just in case.
Biggest weakness of this unit is that it has no damper, only the ability to control adjust air intake. If I am careful and particular I can keep her going 24/7, but really building a new fire isn’t a big deal and we like the house cool at night anyway.
I did overfire her twice, both times beer, football, and old growth ponderosa pine were involved, but I got her cooled down in time without damage. We mostly burn oak, maple, and Doug fir."Let's be careful out there."
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09-29-2022, 09:12 AM #78
In our house we have a cathedral ceiling with about 18 feet of double walled pipe and another 6 feet of double walled chimney. We have an older pre EPA cert wood stove with input and output dampers.
We burn mostly doug fir and broadleaf maple, seasoned at least one summer, but we get serious creosote buildup at the roof juncture which I have to clean out every year. I used to shut down the fire at night and get the burn going all night, which was likely a main contributor to the buildup.
It's a job I hate with a 4/12 metal roof. I put up a rope every year and just do it, but one of these years I'm going to hire it out. One year, I neglected it and we got a chimney fire which was thought provoking.
We just replaced the old feeble electric furnace from 1983 with a heat pump augmented with an electric furnace. In previous years, the wood stove was the primary heat source, using the fan from the crappy furnace and the air return, which is along the cathedral ceiling, to circulate the wood heat. With the new furnace, we hope to slow down on the burning.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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09-29-2022, 09:43 AM #79
Same here. My chimney gets a moderate amount of creosote and I sweep it once a year, but my chimney cap gets super gummed up pretty quickly - I usually have to get up there once or twice a winter and bang it clean. Best thing I did was build a "ladder" by screwing a bunch of steps into the roof, built out of 2" aluminum angle. Makes getting up there to clean things much, much less sketchy. I can do it without a rope as long as it's not icy.
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09-29-2022, 09:58 AM #80Registered User
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For 5 years I had a medium sized Vermont castings with a cat in a house i was caretaking.
IME its started easy & burned well, probably cuz the stove was in the middle of the house so the pipe was very long cuz it went straight out the peak of the roof for a great draw
but it only ever once ran all night which seems to be the holy grail of stoveness, still i think that requirement is misguidedLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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09-30-2022, 08:54 AM #81Registered User
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When I burned in alaska I had a very clean pipe. Double/Tripple wall all the way, burn hot and dry and no creosote build up.
I'm about to install the tiniest epa certified stove I can find for my 240 square foot cabin w/ cathedral ceilings and will have two 45's in it. Not looking forward to getting back on my 8/12 pitch metal roof to punch a hole in but I have to get this done.
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09-30-2022, 12:59 PM #82Registered User
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Been using a Rais Gabo for three winters in our cabin. It really projects the heat well and I've been able to get 8 hours at night if fully loaded right at bedtime. Very compact and efficient but it was in there when we bought the place so I don't know how it compares to similar stoves on price.
http://www.raisstoves.com/stoves/rais-gabo-wood-stove/
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11-01-2023, 02:25 PM #83
Not for home heat, but a general woodstove question:
My new shop has a wood stove with a straight chimney going straight up and out the roof. No bends of any kind. Friend was like, "You need to put a bend in that to save the heat."
Does that really make a difference? I can get the stove cranking and it barely warms the shop (which is insulated). Also the stove seems to kind of suck. It's an Earth Stove 100 Series. I guess it has a "thermostat" on the back with High/Med/Low which is temperature controlled. I haven't messed with that much but I doubt it still works. Supposedly a temp sensitive coil inside or something.
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11-01-2023, 02:30 PM #84Registered User
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never heard that one ^^ but I think a bend in the stove pipe would mess with how it draws and if its a double wall insulated pipe how much heat do you really get from that pipe ?
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11-01-2023, 02:48 PM #85
Straight chimney is fine. If all the heat is going out the chimney, that's because the wood stove is shitty, not due to a chimney problem. A certain amount of heat in the chimney is good though - if it cools off too much, you'll get a lot of creosote buildup. Insulated / double wall pipes help with that.
Aside from all of that, straight chimneys are way easier to clean.
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11-01-2023, 03:05 PM #86Registered User
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yeah i also call bs on the idea that you are losing heat up the stack on a straight pipe.
I run double wall everything and it keeps my stove pipe hot - which helps prevent creosote build up. Stove puts out tons of heat.
My guess is:
1. your stove is old and it probably is not epa certified and you are losing wood gas up the stack because there are no secondaries, but I have no idea how the temp sensor thing works so idk
2. your shop isn't insulated. EDIT: I can't read, it is.
3. you are burning wood that isn't seasoned. losing a bunch of heat up the stack because burn process is using energy to evaporate the moisture.
i know you are a new homeowner and cash is tight but a good epa certified stove will have long burns and convert the most amount of wood to heat. Ran a True North (pacific energy value line) at my old place and it was a great little stove for the money.
The space i'm heating now is so small so we have a small stove and I only have access to softwoods. . I'd love to have a cat in a bigger space for long burns.
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11-01-2023, 03:53 PM #87
Ok so the adjuster on the back does seem to work. High setting and now it's putting out good heat. Luckily previous owner left a bunch of seasoned wood and more dead stacked up ready for me to cut and split.
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11-01-2023, 05:01 PM #88The man
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Since this thread is active, how often do you sweep or have your chimney swept? I started doing it myself after having a hell of a time getting someone out here.
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11-01-2023, 05:18 PM #89
Depends. On the firebox and damping, depends on the type and moisture content of the wood, and somewhat on what kind of chimney you have.
More often is better, but balanced with the risk of climbing the roof to access the flue. At my father’s place, older masonry flue, dry softwood, moderate damping of his stove, and he gets his swept at least every 3mo. YMMV
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11-01-2023, 05:28 PM #90
Has anybody used Stuv fireplaces or stoves before? Looking at one for the fireplace in our new house and potentially the compact stove for bedroom.
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11-01-2023, 05:35 PM #91The man
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I’m only burning softwoods since hardwoods are harder to come by and way too expensive to purchase for the amount I burn. I’d like to say my wood is fully seasoned but I just haven’t had enough for a surplus. That being said, split and stacked wood dries fast AF around here.
It may be a scam but I put a scoop Rutland Creosote remover every couple weeks.
I was gonna say every three months sounds like a lot but I guess in a six month burn season, that’s once in the middle.
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11-01-2023, 06:15 PM #92
I might be mistaken on my numbers but I believe every 90* bend in a pipe or a vacuum line will slow the draw by 50%. For that reason my stove pipe goes straight up and out of the house. It's two stories long, like the one pictured by stuntmonkey, and the pipe is a huge part of heating the house.
I burn oak/acacia/cherry/apple/beech/plum/walnut, well-seasoned and have no creosote but do have 2mm of dry soot buildup every year. It brushes down in 5 minutes with a push down from the roof with the pipe cleaner. I probably don't even need to do it every year, but it's an easy task and I love a fast drawing pipe. I can't see any reasoning in bending a stove pipe to slow down the draw to save heat. That doesn't make any sense. It's not like a straight pipe doesn't get hot, or a bent pipe will get hotter.
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11-01-2023, 06:33 PM #93
I give mine a full, thorough sweep once a year, but my cap gunks up with flaky creosote and needs to get cleaned off 2-3 times through the burn season. That's burning dry(ish) softwood (mostly Doug fir and larch) from late October through mid to late April.
I screwed some 2" aluminum angle into my roof to make a ladder. This year I added a permanently fixed cable that I can clip into for fall protection. It looks shitty, but it's on the back of the house, so fuck it. I've done enough sketchy mid-winter adventures to not really care about the aesthetics of it.
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11-01-2023, 06:34 PM #94
Get yourself a quality fan like this out there to push the heat around in the winter and cooler air in the summer.
Game changer, this thing really moves some air. Love mine.
12-in 3-Speed Indoor or Outdoor Black Oscillating Floor Fan https://www.lowes.com/pd/GZMR/5013529271
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11-02-2023, 07:00 AM #95Registered User
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11-02-2023, 07:07 AM #96
First wood stove fire of the season last night.
22F and windywatch out for snakes
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11-02-2023, 07:51 AM #97
I'll take a photo in a few days when I get back to town, but there is this wall mounted fan thing behind it that the previous owner rigged up. Works really well to push some of the heat around.
I will say this thing is efficient.....maybe too efficient? I only have soft and seasoned pine varieties and it burns 4 or 5 half pieces down completely in about 2 or 3 hours. "I'm gonna stoke it and go run some errands...." It's damn near cold already when I get back with just enough coal to get a new fire going. Would be worth it to load a trailer somewhere with hardwood somewhere. Probably would have to be 10+ hours from here if not more.
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11-02-2023, 08:36 AM #98
^^^ there ought to be a damper somewhere on the front or side that'll cut the air intake and slow the burn. Some older stoves just burn through a lot of wood though.
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11-02-2023, 09:04 AM #99Registered User
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