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    Quote Originally Posted by EPSkis View Post
    The normally-aspirated 2.5l engines are PZEV. Average emissions for a new car is 0.38 ~ Suby's PZEV rating is 0.09 (Not bad for a 170hp / 167lb.ft. powerplant.)

    Bad mileage? Most folks with the 2.5 are getting 26-28 up here & 1 guy who runs Conway --> Portland & back everyday is getting over 32.

    Consumer Reports just listed their Top 10 (11 models, actually) for MPG rating. 5 of the Top are all (only) getting 30-31. Meanwhile, the Suby is getting more hp & torque in an AWD vehicle that sees a realistic 26-30? Hell, that's pretty impressive, IMO.
    More impressive is my V70R averages 22-23mpg with a conservative 275hp. Long trips I can average between 24-28mpg depending on speed and load. As previously noted, a subie wagon fully loaded with 4 people and ski gear and a 170hp engine = slug. For a few MPG, I will stick with the 275hp that is easily chipped to 315 hp with apparent mpg improvements when driven normally.
    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
    That is why I like dogs, more than most people.

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    There is no fucking way you're getting 22mpg on a chipped Volvo... unless you're going downhill with a tailwind.

    Surprisingly I got ~25mpg in my A4 with a Thule Atlantis 1800 on it this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EPSkis View Post

    Consumer Reports just listed their Top 10 (11 models, actually) for MPG rating. 5 of the Top are all (only) getting 30-31. Meanwhile, the Suby is getting more hp & torque in an AWD vehicle that sees a realistic 26-30? Hell, that's pretty impressive, IMO.
    30-31? Is that avg. for city/highway? I hope so. Like I said, with my old Nissan I got 32 highway, and I didn't think that was particularly special. If I get 26 with the Suby for highway driving I feel like I'm doing pretty well.
    Like I said, I guess it's just the way it is with a heavier, AWD car, but when my mileage starts bottoming out at 15 in the city it's depressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    More impressive is my V70R averages 22-23mpg with a conservative 275hp. Long trips I can average between 24-28mpg depending on speed and load. As previously noted, a subie wagon fully loaded with 4 people and ski gear and a 170hp engine = slug. For a few MPG, I will stick with the 275hp that is easily chipped to 315 hp with apparent mpg improvements when driven normally.

    No doubt the R is a big step up ~ but that's what an additional $8-$9k gets you. Can't dispute the numbers ~ a loaded Suby w/ the 2.5l definitely won't get you there as fast as the R will.

    A cold air intake ($75) will give you another 14hp & almost 2mpg better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Shit, not only do I drive a Forester, I'm looking at a used Miata for a second toy car.

    I'm secure in my sexuality.

    Is this the first recorded case of a lesbian enduring a mid-life crisis?

    what's next? a compact pick up truck with an off color topper for your work truck?


    jeezus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    30-31? Is that avg. for city/highway? I hope so. Like I said, with my old Nissan I got 32 highway, and I didn't think that was particularly special. If I get 26 with the Suby for highway driving I feel like I'm doing pretty well.
    Like I said, I guess it's just the way it is with a heavier, AWD car, but when my mileage starts bottoming out at 15 in the city it's depressing.
    I'll try to find the article, but as I recall it reading ~ those were overall averages. Each of them were only getting between 30 to 31mpg. Of course, the UPPER end of that scale were Hybrids, getting about 45mpg overall.

    It was just interesting to note that of the vehicles they listed, they were all FWD compact cars, but then you look at for example, an Outback ~ and for the couple mpg's difference....Well - not bad, I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_gyptian View Post
    Is this the first recorded case of a lesbian enduring a mid-life crisis?
    Folks who judge others' characters by what they drive probably want to be judged by what they drive - a character with questionable flaws such as a superficial attitude toward others and an unwarranted connection to material goods.

    ps. My Outback has realized 24.9 mpg over the first 10,000 miles. That is a real number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruckeeLocal View Post
    Folks who judge others' characters by what they drive probably want to be judged by what they drive - a character with questionable flaws such as a superficial attitude toward others and an unwarranted connection to material goods.
    I just gotta chuckle at all the poor souls who bought monster trucks over the last few years to be anti gay and are freaking at the pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    I just gotta chuckle at all the poor souls who bought monster trucks over the last few years to be anti gay and are freaking at the pump.
    Yup, I laugh at all the Montana Tough Guy types daily. Couldn't imagine filling up, say, an F-250 SuperDuty 4x4 right now.

    When my little old Volvo is costing me 50 bucks to fill...

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    Had to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by commonlaw View Post
    Had to do it.

    Heh - that vehicle is solely responsible for Subaru's biggest May in 22 years. 11th consecutive month of sales growth.

    Meanwhile, Ford has already given up the idea that '08 could see a return to profitability & GM's shareholders are waiting for the other shoe to drop. (Now that they're finally able to BUILD them again, nobody WANTS 'em!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper Bones View Post
    Yup, I laugh at all the Montana Tough Guy types daily. Couldn't imagine filling up, say, an F-250 SuperDuty 4x4 right now.

    When my little old Volvo is costing me 50 bucks to fill...
    Personally, all the guys I know who drive trucks like that are contractors. They just pass the fuel costs on to their Volvo-driving yuppie clients. So I guess the joke's on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippster View Post
    There is no fucking way you're getting 22mpg on a chipped Volvo... unless you're going downhill with a tailwind.

    Surprisingly I got ~25mpg in my A4 with a Thule Atlantis 1800 on it this weekend.
    Tippster, I wouldn't lie about this. My trip computer for the current tank of gas shows a 24 mpg avg. That is more freeway and some city driving. Going to Mammoth, which is 800 miles round trip, I will avg 25 mpg at 75-80mph with two people in the car. Loaded with 4 people and a roof rack I drop to 22 mpg, but I am usually flying too
    My car isn't chipped, but many have noted at www.swedespeed.com that a chipped R, driven normally, actually picks up a mile or 2 per gallon I don't get it but the explanation is there if you want to search.
    When I go 65 mph on the freeway, I get 27 mpg. I just can't stand driving like a granny. If I could, I would buy the subie wagon with the 170 hp engine
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    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
    That is why I like dogs, more than most people.

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    Driving 80 mph around SLC I've gotten between 25-28 mpg on my last three tanks, which last over a week. In my WRX.

    In related news, the Subie dealer has the STI cat-back exhaust on sale for $333. Anybody wanna give me a loan?
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    No is that like whne I come on your mosms face whle you lick my ballsss???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    Personally, all the guys I know who drive trucks like that are contractors. They just pass the fuel costs on to their Volvo-driving yuppie clients. So I guess the joke's on you.
    More timeless wisdom from Jer. Read and learn libro-douches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Explosion View Post
    Driving 80 mph around SLC I've gotten between 25-28 mpg on my last three tanks, which last over a week. In my WRX.
    By any chance did you do a 1080 in the middle of Redwood around 10 So two years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    By any chance did you do a 1080 in the middle of Redwood around 10 So two years ago?
    No, but that would've been cool.

    I knew a guy in Houston who had some car go in for a recall. They gave him a loaner, he paid for insurance, and had a blast. It is, in fact, possible to get a car to do "grinds" similar to a skateboard.
    Congrats, mags! We collected 1030.68! for birdman!
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuckerman View Post
    No is that like whne I come on your mosms face whle you lick my ballsss???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer
    They just pass the fuel costs on to their Volvo-driving yuppie clients. So I guess the joke's on you.
    You missed the 'old' part about my car...it's 18 years old now, one of those old high-mileage 240s that will run forever. I bought it a couple years back because it's practical and it's a surprisingly good snow car. It and modern-day volvos are night-and-day different...

    Trust me, I can't afford anything from those contractors, so no I personally am not filling their tanks. However there is no shortage of wealthy people in SW MT, so I'm sure somebody's taking care of them.

    There are plenty who own them (the trucks) without being solid contractors just yet....

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    got 33.7 mpg in a 06 outback 5spd this past weekend driving from syracuse to watkins glen and back-about 1/3 of the trip was on highway-the rest mainly 2 lane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    Whoa - I guess Steve realised what a dummy he was and deleted it. Goodonya, Steve!
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