Internships in the industry????

**squeakygonzalez** · 05-23-2008, 06:32 AM

What are your editing skills and experience and what kind of camera do you have?

**BakerBoy** · 05-23-2008, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

He thinks he's hot shit on the internet, who the fuck are you? The skiing equivalent of a finalist on The Bachelor?

I dunno, never seen the show and don't have cable.

**MakersTeleMark** · 05-23-2008, 11:22 AM

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**stupendous man** · 05-23-2008, 11:47 AM

the kid is just out of college, he'll figure it out soon enough.

**MOHSHSIHd** · 05-23-2008, 11:51 AM

I think we can say its officially summer! Douchery by the bucketload!

**covert** · 05-23-2008, 04:49 PM

what do you want to get out of an internship and what do you have to offer?

**bklyn** · 05-23-2008, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by covert

what do you want to get out of an internship and what do you have to offer?

He's cute!
Amongst other things...

**covert** · 05-23-2008, 05:49 PM

well then he should clearly go for the TGR man-whore internship. a sugar-mama/papa will without doubt pay more than a ski industry internship.

pero cuidate amigo...

**covert** · 05-23-2008, 05:50 PM

ps you should pm squeakygonzales if you have skills but lack pro experience

again...cuidate

**ryank** · 05-23-2008, 05:52 PM

PM sent.

**The Suit** · 05-24-2008, 08:35 AM

You gotta be careful about getting an internship in the industry. If you're really unlucky, it leads to a job in the industry.

**JeffreyJim** · 05-24-2008, 09:00 AM

Want my advice Phish?
No? Well you are going to get it anyway.

I come from the same school, live for the same sport and have editing/vid/photo skills as well (not amazing, but I have them nontheless)

I didn't major in film like you but if I had the balls I might have. I went business cause regardless of what I do, business will be a part of it.

Now, I know the feeling of "I just graduated..now what". Thankfully, I have parents who understand me to a degree and encouraged me to go work construction for a summer, make money and move to a ski town...see where it goes.

I would have loved to graduate, go into film/snow/something *really* cool but am glad I didn't. I've learned a lot about myself by working some SHIT jobs that beat the fuck out of me. Not to mention, some usefull skills for later on and a greater appreciation of money.

In my opinion, you should go work a job. ANY job that pays WELL. It probably wont have anything to do with your major. Fuck, ditch diggers out here make 19 bucks an hour!

Make as much money as you can. Keep editing/shooting/skiing like it's your job....and don't just shoot ski. Shoot everything. The real money in action sports isn't IN ACTION SPORTS!! You'll soon find that if you keep doing all the right things, PEOPLE WILL NOTICE you'll meet some very key people and everything else will work itself out. I'm not talking skiing at 5 resorts in colorado either, I'm talking about some serious travel. Meet some key athletes and you'll soon learn the game on your own. BUT YOU NEED MONEY TO DO IT SO GO GET SOME PAPER!

If you are doing it right, you won't have time to keep blabbing about everything on the internet (you'll be too busy)

Oh. If you need a good job that pays well and don't mind moving, I could probably help.

Nuff said.

**Mybad!** · 05-24-2008, 09:14 AM

Is bumping chairs "in the industry"?

Just move to a ski town and see what presents itself. In Boulder you would just make movies about triathalons.

**MOHSHSIHd** · 05-24-2008, 01:34 PM

Thanks T!

Originally Posted by JeffreyJim

Want my advice Phish?
No? Well you are going to get it anyway.

I come from the same school, live for the same sport and have editing/vid/photo skills as well (not amazing, but I have them nontheless)

I didn't major in film like you but if I had the balls I might have. I went business cause regardless of what I do, business will be a part of it.

Now, I know the feeling of "I just graduated..now what". Thankfully, I have parents who understand me to a degree and encouraged me to go work construction for a summer, make money and move to a ski town...see where it goes.

I would have loved to graduate, go into film/snow/something *really* cool but am glad I didn't. I've learned a lot about myself by working some SHIT jobs that beat the fuck out of me. Not to mention, some usefull skills for later on and a greater appreciation of money.

In my opinion, you should go work a job. ANY job that pays WELL. It probably wont have anything to do with your major. Fuck, ditch diggers out here make 19 bucks an hour!

Make as much money as you can. Keep editing/shooting/skiing like it's your job....and don't just shoot ski. Shoot everything. The real money in action sports isn't IN ACTION SPORTS!! You'll soon find that if you keep doing all the right things, PEOPLE WILL NOTICE you'll meet some very key people and everything else will work itself out. I'm not talking skiing at 5 resorts in colorado either, I'm talking about some serious travel. Meet some key athletes and you'll soon learn the game on your own. BUT YOU NEED MONEY TO DO IT SO GO GET SOME PAPER!

If you are doing it right, you won't have time to keep blabbing about everything on the internet (you'll be too busy)

Oh. If you need a good job that pays well and don't mind moving, I could probably help.

Nuff said.

I hear ya man. I wanted to just work my sack of doing construction or landscaping stuff (both of which I have done off and on since I was 13), but I am all gimped still and can't do any hard work yet. I did shoot a show last night and got paid $50/hour. Seems like good money, but work like that is very inconsistent. What I realized though is that I just love shooting. I was fucking having a blast trying to really get great shots and knowing that my footage will be used on a DVD for a band that is starting to grow nationally was a cool feeling.

Basically, I have no idea what I want to do. I just know that the only thing that will keep me in Boulder will be a real job or a great internship. I have too many friends who just want to stay here and work shit jobs and party for another year or more....thats not what I want at all though.

Just gotta keep grinding on my PT and hope that skiing hard isn't gonna be too painful next season.

**beerski** · 05-25-2008, 02:15 PM

Maybe if you spent less time being a douche and complaining about things on here you would be able to work a job that can provide a decent compensation.

You once said you were going to leave and get on with your life. Read books, spend time with yourself. Then you pussed out and came crawling back to apparently the only freinds you have. Spend less time bitching and change your outlook on life. Get out in the world and away from your computer.

You may find that opportunities arise faster than you think.

**Elle Be** · 05-25-2008, 03:12 PM

This is precisely when posting so much of your personal life, and your travails, can hinder you in the professional world, especially this BBS and the profession you seek. You never know who's been reading your posts, and how that affects your ability to land a job --- when that someone is reading this thread, has a position open, and is hiring.

**muted** · 05-25-2008, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Elle Be

someone is reading this thread, has a position open, and is hiring.

Yeah, I can think of at least one person, and that's not including TGR. But they have low standards, so don't worry

Anyways, no offense JefferyJim, but your advice is terrible. My advice would be to get a job in the industry soon. It takes years of hands-on experience to become confident in any skill set (camerawork, editing, sound, lighting, whatever). Learning by yourself is going to slow this process down drastically. And you'll never know how the industry works business-wise or what is expected by being outside it.

Another huge part of the industry is who you know. You will (ideally) meet many freelancers, directors, producers, etc. when working for a bigger company, but not in some small single proprietorship who wants you to log and capture industrial corporate videos or whatever all summer. So be nice to the power players, maybe they'll help you out in the future. But only if they know who you are....ask for their card. Giving out yours is not effective with these people unless you're experienced and you can really be valuable to them.

Camera skills is only part of the equation. People want to hire self-sufficient, hardworking positive people. So go the extra mile on any assignment. A great attitude can *sometimes* make up for experience. But the pressure can be high, so if you fuck up once don't expect the editor to hear your excuse weeks later when he shows the director your mistake. So practice, practice, practice on fun projects just for yourself. That's where you should fuck up and learn.

You seem to really like live music. Why not try to do as much as that for fun/free/small charge for bands? Shooting live concerts is great experience or other live events, like X-Games or whatever. And they happen at night, so you can still ski a bit. And there's free entry to concerts. Or do a couple music videos for fun/learning purposes.

As for shooting for ski movies, I dunno. The first thing to be cut in the industry in lean times is movie budgets. This can be bad if you are starting out from scratch with no experience on how the ski industry works and no experience on how to shoot, edit, or run a business.

If you have a salaried camera job with TGR/MSP/etc, you may be fine. Pay is OK but it's fun when you're young. You might get some free gear and a pass, too. When you move up to 'traveling camera dude' things get really fun. Again, being a positive guy that athletes like is huge. You basically are living with them on the road so it's better if you get along with them. Otherwise, they'll bitch behind your back to the head honcho.

Another piece of advice, if you want to be a cameraman, is try to shoot the big expensive HD cameras with different lenses as much as possible. Your HDV camera is great practice but will only take you so far skill-wise. Good luck and have fun....Just trying to help. There are a lot of experienced filmmakers in the Boulder/Denver area doing super cool outdoor stuff, just look around...

**MOHSHSIHd** · 05-26-2008, 11:29 AM

Thanks for the advice/info everyone.

Also, thanks to all those who sent me PMs regarding jobs.

**mtski11** · 05-26-2008, 02:24 PM

You really do. Some kid simply posts an inquiry on the biggest ski blog/community site in the world, and everyone blasts this kid. Maybe he has sent out e-mails and letters to ski industry positions.

Since none of you insecure people seem to know, most jobs in the industry come to light through networking and knowing someone rather than job postings.

And, Gunder, you of all people should know and be more supportive as your career wouldn't be anything without your internship at Powder. You may have worked hard to get where you're at today, but certainly do not forget who supported you along the way. Be grateful and give back.

This kid would have been better off posting on newschoolers since people over there are actually allowed to have ambition and dream and ask a question. This board needs to quit being so damn judgmental. What does it do for you? What does it do for your local community? Nothing except allow negativity to fester.

Shame on all of you for disallowing questions and dreams.

You want an internshp, kid? E-mail and call every company you want to work for with a resume and work samples. Be persistent, have patience and poise and something will come up as long as you take initiative and show respect.

AlpineJunkie · 05-26-2008, 02:27 PM

I've heard from rideit that gay porn doesn't pay too bad.

**Trackhead** · 05-26-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by mtski11

You really do. Some kid simply posts an inquiry on the biggest ski blog/community site in the world, and everyone blasts this kid. Maybe he has sent out e-mails and letters to ski industry positions.

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Kinda the way this place has always been, for good or bad. The original poster knows this, and I'm sure has a good bullshit filter established, as do the rest of us who waste productive work hours here.

**nickwm21** · 05-26-2008, 07:55 PM

You should search through school... Most schools have a career placement program, or internship offices. I am in the construction management program at Chico State. Based on information the program gave me I contacted over 15 firms, got about 7 interviews and ended up with a sweet internship that pays $12 hr. It was a little work but i'm glad I have a job and I start tomorrow!

hopefully Ill make enough money to have a decent setup next season

Hugh Conway · 05-28-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by muted

And you'll never know how the industry works business-wise or what is expected by being outside it.

As a profitable business the ski industry doesn't work.

What the fuck are you going to learn from that?

**splat** · 05-29-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

As a profitable business the ski industry doesn't work.

What the fuck are you going to learn from that?

A lot of people get into it to become the exception to the rule. Many stay because it rules, even if it doesn't monetarily reward them.
I think it's a matter of how you are going to make yourself happy.

A number of years ago, Dean Cummings was staying at my house. We were trying to put a heli deal together in the Sierra. I was working as a utility exec, house in the burbs, new car, trophy wife and all that shit. As we were talking, I told Dean I just wanted to get back in the biz (I grew up working on a ski hill) and live the life again instead of on planes and in the office. Deano looked at me and said " That's funny, splat, all the guys in the ski business want what you have."

Hugh Conway · 05-29-2008, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by splat

A lot of people get into it to become the exception to the rule. Many stay because it rules, even if it doesn't monetarily reward them.
I think it's a matter of how you are going to make yourself happy.

Yup. As interesting people getting together to do cool things skiing is pretty fucking cool.

As a business to make money, as an industry, skiing sucks ass. They can't make much money and they can't make much interesting.