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    Fahrenheit 9/11 Trailer nsr

    http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/ im sure bush sackriders won't like this, but its a decent trailer.

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    Raises interesting questions, but Moore is just countering for the liberal side. Instead of conservative government propaganda, we get his propaganda. Anyone can take some stupid thing Bush said or random video clips, take it totally out of context and then say "see look I told you."

    I think its healthy to raise questions and I find some of the things he says interesting, but the fact that he tries so hard to put a slant on things discredits him in my eyes.
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    i'd rather hear moore's slant on things than bush's.

    as i've heard, he comes down on the democrats for caving in so easily as well. the use of the word "liberal" has become, well, rather liberal. i wouldn't say he's countering for the liberal side, unless that's what you'd consider all of his films doing.
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    Moore is a leader in the field of taking things out of context and saying "I told you so."

    I don't know WTF is wrong with the guy... trying to remember abnormal psych from collge I'd have to guess Narcissist Personality Disorder.


    Here is a great nonpolitical outline of Moore's techniques of fact twisting, taking things out of context, misleading edits, and outright lying: http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

    He is not a documentarian. He is a propogandist and a damned skilled one... not that I like the rightwing propogandists like that skank Coulter either.
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    predictable sc1776 response #8473

    why don't you wait til you see the movie to discredit him?

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    All hail dictator Bush!

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    Originally posted by dusty bottoms
    predictable sc1776 response #8473

    why don't you wait til you see the movie to discredit him?
    He has already discredited himself.

    I saw Bowling.

    Here is a perfect example laying out exactly how Moore takes things completely and deliberately out of context to change their meaning to his liking: http://www.hardylaw.net/Bowlingtranscript.html


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    Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
    Here is a great nonpolitical outline of Moore's techniques of fact twisting, taking things out of context, misleading edits, and outright lying: http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
    Meh, the guy "twists facts" as much as he claims Moore does:
    Cut to Heston (supposedly) continuing speech...
    Supposedly? That's an interpretation. I quit reading after this.
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    the film won at caines, no?

    or did it just get a mention or something.

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    Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
    He has already discredited himself.

    I saw Bowling.

    Here is a perfect example laying out exactly how Moore takes things completely and deliberately out of context to change their meaning to his liking: http://www.hardylaw.net/Bowlingtranscript.html


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    "i read it on the internet, so it must be true"
    fine

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    Originally posted by dusty bottoms
    predictable sc1776 response #8473

    why don't you wait til you see the movie to discredit him?

    that's like watching the next Jenna Jameson flick and in hopes of a plot, then feeling bereft about her getting rodgered every which way but loose.
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    Originally posted by SummitCo 1776

    dusy bottoms: Why don't you come out from behind your alias, coward?
    i'm really chevy chase. there. you outted me.

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    jayfrizzo: I don't think you would reach that conlcusion if you stopped so instantaneously. Unless, are you saying that Moore, in that sequence, was not trying to make the viewers think it was one continuous speech?

    That's like saying that someone reading Ann Coulter's trip or watching Goebbles films should automatically just realize which parts are intentionally misleading and which are not, that they are "fine" pieces of "journalism".


    Originally posted by tuffy109
    "i read it on the internet, so it must be true"
    "Michael Moore said it, so it must be true."

    This is a counterpoint to Moore showing his falsehoods. Do you have anything that shows it to be false or are you just telling yourself Moore can't be wrong because his critic put up the information on the web? Surely you can gather a stronger defense than that.
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    MM is the Rush of the left. Who cares, he is one funny motherfucker.
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    Originally posted by Greydon Clark
    MM is the Rush of the left. Who cares, he is one funny motherfucker.

    Not a bad comparison.... both are fatass arrogant blowhards who live to hear themselves talk and don't care what they have to misrepresent to get the attention... and you can't throw either in prison because they it would double the food costs for the facility. Lock Moore and Rush in a room with no food until one eats the other then dies from clogged arteries.
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    Originally posted by SummitCo 1776





    "Michael Moore said it, so it must be true."

    This is a counterpoint to Moore showing his falsehoods. Do you have anything that shows it to be false or are you just telling yourself Moore can't be wrong because his critic put up the information on the web? Surely you can gather a stronger defense than that.
    what, no rolleyes for me?

    there's no real point in arguing with you, or anyone else on the board. you've proved yourself to be the kneejerk reaction of the right for the past year or so. congrats.
    fine

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    Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
    jayfrizzo: I don't think you would reach that conlcusion if you stopped so instantaneously. Unless, are you saying that Moore, in that sequence, was not trying to make the viewers think it was one continuous speech?

    That's like saying that someone reading Ann Coulter's trip or watching Goebbles films should automatically just realize which parts are intentionally misleading and which are not, that they are "fine" pieces of "journalism".
    You're taking a big leap here, just like the dude who wrote the "article."

    Heston's wearing different clothes in each part of the cut. And the way the speech is cut, it still contains it's intended meaning: That the NRA is in Denver, so they're still gonna come have their convention.

    I'm not impressed by some story some dude put up on his own webpage. Especially when it's slanted and long and boring. At least Moore's slants are entertaining and deft.

    Edit: Oh yeah.
    By Summit:
    This is a counterpoint to Moore showing his falsehoods.
    Uh, no it's not, not at all.

    Moore doesn't say anything directly, he leaves you to infer, with a slant to his own agenda. But the dumbass who wrote that and posted it to his homepage says they're false statements. He can say it's misleading, but he doesn't. He says "Statemnts are made which are false." You need to make a statement before it can be a lie.

    And what the hell is a "falsehood"? Quit using big words.


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    yadayada yakyak..

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    Yes it won the Palm d'Or at Cannes.

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    Moore brings up some very interesting points that need to be addressed unfortunately the timing of the release of the film (election year ) and his obvious distaste for this administration makes it difficult to believe this is anything more than political propoganda. Roger and Me is by far his best movie, Bowling was good but again I think he let his agenda creep in to the film way too much. I don't expect much else from farenheit 9/11 but I look forward to seeing it to hear what he has too say.
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    Originally posted by SummitCo 1776

    Here is a great nonpolitical outline of Moore's techniques of fact twisting, taking things out of context, misleading edits, and outright lying: http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
    Ummm... that website is many things, but non-political is not one of them. Hardy is frothing at the mouth while he types.
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    Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
    ... not that I like the rightwing propogandists like that skank Coulter either.
    I fuct her....ohhhhh yeaahhhhh.....

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    Originally posted by Schmear
    Yes it won the Palm d'Or at Cannes.
    leading me to belive it has some artistic merit.

    i, for one, like movies that are good. in my past experience cannes winners have been very well selected, obviously my opinion.

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    Originally posted by Greydon Clark
    MM is the Rush of the left. Who cares, he is one funny motherfucker.
    This is the truth. What bugs me though is that Moore gets credit and acclaim for being a documentarian. Which is not what Moore does. Moore is simply a talking head on the left just as Rush and Coulter are talking heads on the Right.

    Nominating Moore for an Acadamy Award for Best Documentary does a tremendous dis-service to the field. Giving him the Oscar is an outright slap in the face to documentarians. Go see Fog Of War or any other Errol Morris film to see what a real political documentary is.

    I've never found myself in agreement with SC1776... however he is correct with regards to Michael Moore. Moore is a propagandist and a talented film-maker. He is not a documentarian and his films should not be taken as fact anymore than The Passion of Christ is taken as fact. That's not to say his films aren't funny and without merit. I didn't have a problem with Moore until he won the Oscar.

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    You can hardly blame the guy for winning. It's not like he was the only person voting.
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