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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    isnt oil > 100$ a barrel because of the situation in the middle east & isnt that liable to get worse ?
    Yes, and becase refining margins haven't been that great last year -> Libya and general unrest in middle east give a perfectly good excuse to raise gas prices...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKIORFORGETIT View Post
    costs me about $60 to fill-up

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    Boo, fvkckin' hoo, cry me a river.

    When I fill my feeble 55 liter tank (so around 14.5 gallons), it's around 80 euros (so ~110 bucks).
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    Quote Originally Posted by hemas View Post
    Boo, fvkckin' hoo, cry me a river.

    When I fill my feeble 55 liter tank (so around 14.5 gallons), it's around 80 euros (so ~110 bucks).
    yeah but you actually get cool cars
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    HOw are you gona get a better deal than hemas maybe if you sucked someone off?

    Otherwise you realize of course that if you had 2$ a gallon gas or whatever the fuck price point you feel you are entitled to ,you would just be paying the hidden real cost of oil somewhere in the american budget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemas View Post
    Boo, fvkckin' hoo, cry me a river.
    You sure you are Finnish? Or are you a transplant? Your command of American english is excellent.
    Education must be the answer, we've tried ignorance and it doesn't work!

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    Talking

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip'nStick View Post
    You sure you are Finnish? Or are you a transplant? Your command of American english is excellent.






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    Quote Originally Posted by hemas View Post
    Boo, fvkckin' hoo, cry me a river.

    When I fill my feeble 55 liter tank (so around 14.5 gallons), it's around 80 euros (so ~110 bucks).
    How are your roads and traffic signals? Ours suck, and I go through tires and bushings a lot (i drive 5k miles a month sometimes). Our signal system wastes gas.
    How is your education system? Ours sucks and is expensive.
    How is your health care? Ours is expensive and cumbersome.
    How is your public transit? Ours is practicably non-extant unless you are in one of the good cites. Live outside the city, its slow and lame.
    Terje was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DasBlunt View Post
    How are your roads and traffic signals? Ours suck, and I go through tires and bushings a lot (i drive 5k miles a month sometimes). Our signal system wastes gas. It works, but since my country is pretty sparsely populated some of the roads are not that great.
    How is your education system? Ours sucks and is expensive. Actually pretty good, at least the Nordic countries seem to score well in eduction
    How is your health care? Ours is expensive and cumbersome. Like pretty much every pinko-commie socialist healthcare, some things work and some don't... But being a small country, the quality can vary greatly and bureaucracy takes time.
    How is your public transit? Ours is practicably non-extant unless you are in one of the good cites. Live outside the city, its slow and lame. Public transport is always slower (ok, nearly always) than takin' the car. But around the capitol it kind of works. Same in other bigger cities, but it's far from good and roughly half of population of Finland lives in areas where the public transport option are pretty much zero.
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    Hemas-

    I think his point was that most of that extra $$ you guys pay for gas goes toward paying for all that stuff.
    I think this country thinks that there is some magic Easy Button that they push and BANG! - Free Healthcare. Not that simple.
    Look at Wisconsin right now. Ask public employees to put some of their own money towards retirement and healthcare, and you have all out civil war. I know that situation isn't that simple, but it sorta is. Nobody wants to make the change themselves, so it will be forced down our throats with gas taxes.

    I think this is all a way of buttering us up for the big one. Once we are used to $3.50 a gal, is it a stretch to get used to $4.00?

    Oh, and if you really want sticker shock, try gassing up at a marina these days. It was $4.50 a gallon last week. Thank god I hit it when I did. There, you are paying them extra to NOT PUT ETHANOL IN. WTF??? They cut a step out, and charge me more??

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    In the end...I think 8 or 9 dollar a gallon gas is the best thing for the country. We are too damn fat and lazy and think we have some birth right to cheap gas. How about we improve our public transportation infrastructure and stop making it so damn easy to be fat and lazy.
    ROLL TIDE ROLL

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    Just an article talking about how much ethanol is costing us in revenue due to the tax credit that should be done away with. It is my belief that if you make people pay the true cost of ethanol it will lose even more support (among non agribusiness folk).


    The ethanol industry doesn't need a subsidy now that refiners are required to use the biofuel, according to the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

    The GAO lists the 45-cent-per-gallon tax credit among wasteful programs that could be slashed or eliminated to help address the nation's fiscal problems.

    The tax credit, due to expire at the end of the year, will cost the government $5.4 billion this year, and the lost revenue will grow to $6.75 billion by 2015 if the credit is extended, the GAO said.

    The tax credit goes to refiners and other gasoline blenders who are already required under federal law to use growing volumes of ethanol each year.

    "The ethanol tax credit was important in helping to create a profitable corn starch ethanol industry when the industry had to fund investment in new facilities, but it is less important now for sustaining the industry because most of the capital investment in corn starch ethanol refineries has already been made," the GAO said.

    As of January 2010, the industry already had 13 billion gallons of production capacity with an additional 1.4 billion gallons under construction. The usage mandates for corn ethanol will top out at 15 billion gallons a year starting in 2015.

    The mandates are already at levels high enough "to ensure that a market for domestic ethanol production exists in the absence of the ethanol tax credit." In fact, the GAO said production may soon exceed the amount that can be blended into gas domestically.
    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...news|text|News

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    News Flash!!!!: Gas is a commodity.With fairly minor variations for transportation and formulation diferences, it costs the same everywhere on the planet. If you pay more, it's taxes. If you pay less, it's subsidies. Taxes and subsidies are part of social engineering, in that they attempt to reward or punish certain behaviors (such as driving a lot) or make it cheap to help hide deficiencies in other areas.

    Euros always smugly tell us how expensive their gas is and then shake their long uncalloused neatly-manicued fingers at our boorish cheap gas. But those Euros, through voting, have acceped and approved those higher gas prices in order to subsidize other things, like trains or healthcare or what have you.

    The American government chooses to impose low taxes on gas. It's a big country and road transportation is far more important here than in pocket-sized Western Europe. Trains, except in certain areas of the country, are a rather inefficient means of transport (obviously they work well for freight, and freight railways are thriving in the U.S.). People are too spread out for trains to be efficient, and even when people take the train they end up having to drive long distances.

    Some countries, such as Saudi, have dirt-cheap gas. This is because the government subsidizes it so that the thousands of little princelings can go blasting around the desert in their 800-HP Lamborghini 4x4's shooting at endangered species instead of sitting still for a minute and realizing how fucked up their country is.

    So, obtuse people (I look at you, BMills, first), the reason there is no cheap gas is because gas is fucking expensive. Worldwide. And your government, which you elected, chooses not to subsidize it directly (indirectly tehy subsidize the shit out f auto use but that's another story).

    Gas is very expensive in Europe because that's what the governments, and by extension the people who elected them, want. So don't get all fuckin superior kids, you're just doing what you want, just like us. And just like the Saudis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    News Flash!!!!: Gas is a commodity.With fairly minor variations for transportation and formulation diferences, it costs the same everywhere on the planet. If you pay more, it's taxes. If you pay less, it's subsidies. Taxes and subsidies are part of social engineering, in that they attempt to reward or punish certain behaviors (such as driving a lot) or make it cheap to help hide deficiencies in other areas..
    $2.00 gas just means they took the money they spend to run the country from here and they put it there ... you still paid to live in america somwhere somehow

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    It's a big country and road transportation is far more important here than in pocket-sized Western Europe. Trains, except in certain areas of the country, are a rather inefficient means of transport (obviously they work well for freight, and freight railways are thriving in the U.S.). People are too spread out for trains to be efficient, and even when people take the train they end up having to drive long distances.

    For a minute, I thought you were talkin' about Finland. 15 persons per square km (so, roughly 40 per square mile). And if you faction out the greater Hellsinki area, the population density of the rest of Finland is a whoppin' 12 persons per square km (again, ~31 per square mile).

    So, even as the average Finnish population density, we'd be between Maine and Oregon (38 and 39 state from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lation_density).

    Could you kindly tell me, how is that densely populated...

    You can never generalize... After all, one of the most densely populated countries in Yurp only has around 1000 persons per square mile (that be NL)... which means it would tie with Rhode Island (at spot no 3).
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    Huh, I thought Finland was in Scandinavia, not Western Europe. My bad.

    Wait, what's your point? That rail is successful in Finland? It certainly doesn't make money, and it is heavily subsisized, in part by high gas taxes. It covers greater Helsinki pretty well but otherwise basically just connects outlying cities with the capital by express train,and light rail certainly hasn't been a big success either.

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    Stagflation is the risk again:

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    News Flash!!!!: Gas is a commodity.With fairly minor variations for transportation and formulation diferences, it costs the same everywhere on the planet. If you pay more, it's taxes. If you pay less, it's subsidies. Taxes and subsidies are part of social engineering, in that they attempt to reward or punish certain behaviors (such as driving a lot) or make it cheap to help hide deficiencies in other areas.

    Euros always smugly tell us how expensive their gas is and then shake their long uncalloused neatly-manicued fingers at our boorish cheap gas. But those Euros, through voting, have acceped and approved those higher gas prices in order to subsidize other things, like trains or healthcare or what have you.

    The American government chooses to impose low taxes on gas. It's a big country and road transportation is far more important here than in pocket-sized Western Europe. Trains, except in certain areas of the country, are a rather inefficient means of transport (obviously they work well for freight, and freight railways are thriving in the U.S.). People are too spread out for trains to be efficient, and even when people take the train they end up having to drive long distances.

    Some countries, such as Saudi, have dirt-cheap gas. This is because the government subsidizes it so that the thousands of little princelings can go blasting around the desert in their 800-HP Lamborghini 4x4's shooting at endangered species instead of sitting still for a minute and realizing how fucked up their country is.

    So, obtuse people (I look at you, BMills, first), the reason there is no cheap gas is because gas is fucking expensive. Worldwide. And your government, which you elected, chooses not to subsidize it directly (indirectly tehy subsidize the shit out f auto use but that's another story).

    Gas is very expensive in Europe because that's what the governments, and by extension the people who elected them, want. So don't get all fuckin superior kids, you're just doing what you want, just like us. And just like the Saudis.
    Yup! Well said. Hit the nail on the head. Dirt Cheap Gas = subsidized. Expensive Gas = Taxed the crap out of. In the end, the actual value of the gas itself, before taxes and subsidies, is pretty much the same no matter where you are.

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    So taxes have just gone up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuckerman View Post
    So taxes have just gone up?
    No. The actual market price of crude did. I should clarify. when I said the values of gas is the same no matter where you are, I meant the price that we pay before taxes or subsidies is essentially the same the Euros pay before taxes or subsidies. The market value definitely fluctuates a lot, though. If the market crashes, we'll get cheap gas again. The end of 2008 was a nasty natural gas crash (which was my bread and butter, job wise). Bad enough for me to lose work for almost a year. The prices we paid for natural gas fell equivalently. Remember when petrol was near $4/gallon a few years ago in some places? Then the "crash" happened and it dipped to around $2/gallon.
    http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_pr...me=36&units=us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuckerman View Post
    So taxes have just gone up?
    What Austin said. But when someone like Bmills starts bitching that "Obummer" hasn't fixed gas prices, and they are almost completely out of his control, it all gets kinda fucking stupid and disingenuous real quick. Gas prices just rose for everybody in the fucking world. It's called capitalism and the law of supply and demand. Do Republicans like BMills want to repeal the law of supply and demand? hmm. Do Texans want gas prices to go back down? hmm. Think about shit before you jump on a train steered by a blind lying moron, ya know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    What Austin said. But when someone like Bmills starts bitching that "Obummer" hasn't fixed gas prices, and they are almost completely out of his control, it all gets kinda fucking stupid and disingenuous real quick. Gas prices just rose for everybody in the fucking world. It's called capitalism and the law of supply and demand. Do Republicans like BMills want to repeal the law of supply and demand? hmm. Do Texans want gas prices to go back down? hmm. Think about shit before you jump on a train steered by a blind lying moron, ya know?
    Ice, I'm dying laughing over here. Seriously, the entire thrust of this thread is disingenuous! I actually agree with just about everything you said in your last post. I know Obama (who says Obummer?) has no control over gas prices. In fact that's the entire point of my OP, stupid politicians saying they have double secret plans to lower gas prices when they clearly can't! (aside from manipulating the taxes) Secondly I was pointing out the absurdity of the same dopes that said Bush was keeping gas prices high.

    If I was trolling I'd say you took the bait.
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    We're going to be at $4/gal. gas very very soon. Seems like it's jumped $0.20/gal. per week over the last two weeks.

    Paid $3.53 at Costco just now... the Shell stations around town (always the highest locally) are at $3.80-ish already, for 87 octane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post
    We're going to be at $4/gal. gas very very soon.
    I saw $4.50/gal in NYC last night for 87 (5.15 for 91.) Yup you're seeing that right, a 65 cent spread! I live 55 miles from the city and it's running between $3.70-3.90/gal for 87.

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    Gas Prices up 67% Since Obama Took Office

    Wow, that's one hell of a jump in just over 2 years.

    For reasons stated above I know that the president really can't do anyting about commodoty prices. Let that sink in before you furiously type a "but, but, but.." response.




    It's really amusing to see how level headed everyone is about high fuel prices now, especially this big of a jump, when it's Obama in office and he has the same factors influencing the price at the pump: unrest in mid east, OPEC, traders, etc. 4 years ago, it was Bush's oil buddies, satan, unrest in the middle east, blah, blah, blah.

    I'm just amused at the practice of selective outrage.

    FWIW it cost me over $80 to fill up today. Ouch!
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    Just outlaw the price signs at the station. That should fix the problem. $3.91 at the station down the road. I would'nt know this if there was no sign.

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