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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2-6 View Post
    The argument for carrying a weapon in public isn't, and was never, as a solution to the inconceivably rare event of a mass shooting, but as protection from the threat of rape or murder... you know, the crimes that happen all the fucking time.

    If you have the astronomically bad luck of being in a mass shooting circumstance, you're fucked regardless. You, taken by surprise, trying to draw your pocket pistol with your 13+ rounds has no fucking chance against a rifle fired by someone who has resigned themselves to death.

    Everyone flipping out about the "mass shooting epidemic", as opposed to traffic fatalities, or the obesity epidemic is just another example of human beings' tragically poor ability of risk evaluation. The rare, unfamiliar, and violent threat is always far scarier than the common, daily, and unsensationalized threat. It's human nature; there are more people at the beach worried about shark attacks than there are worried about skin cancer.




    Amen. Situational Awareness is the true form of self defense.
    Thank you for responding

    The question stands irrespective of mass shooting or threat of theft/mugging, whatever common crime you want to cite.

    Is this the way you want & hope to live? How do you aspire your life to be?

    I’m suggesting that more people, when they are honest with themselves, would prefer to not have to carry, and, additionally, also prefer that they don’t have to be around others who are carrying.

    Certainly there was a time when lawlessness was a real thing commonly. It is still an issue in select conditions. As you cite, the statistics agree that your likelihood of being in a mass shooting are low. In a large swath of communities, the likelihood of violent crime is also low and yet the propaganda for carrying pushes the fear on those susceptible to the suggestion. The result is a high density of gun ownership that has been statistically shown to create less safety, not more (accidents, civil/social violence, and suicide end up being more prevalent in places with more guns).

    Society works on a very fundamental level because we all agree not to assault each other. That way, we can all go to school, get groceries, and recreate with liberty & dignity. It’s the reason people are appalled at the mass shootings: they have an expectation of safety in “the public square”.

    But we have the ability to work together to solve these issues in pursuit of public safety. Pointing to the lowest common denominator and shoring up yourself but not your neighbor or community is pretty near sighted and slows any advancement toward a greater good of true public safety.

    There are reasonable places to carry guns. But they should be measured and specific, not commonplace and prevalent. The push for more public and indiscriminate carrying is ill-fated for us as a society.

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    ^^^ very well put, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2-6 View Post
    Everyone flipping out about the "mass shooting epidemic", as opposed to traffic fatalities, or the obesity epidemic is just another example of human beings' tragically poor ability of risk evaluation. The rare, unfamiliar, and violent threat is always far scarier than the common, daily, and unsensationalized threat. It's human nature; there are more people at the beach worried about shark attacks than there are worried about skin cancer.
    Beyond the false equivalence of a motor vehicle accident vs. an intentional shooting, we have as a society mandated all sorts of safety precautions to make sure that car crashes are less deadly than in the past (softer materials, seat belt laws, etc). So why can't we do the same with guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTT View Post
    I am sick to death of talking about who and what guns people should have them.

    But I am not gonna let up. You that want to disarm us. Are the scary ones
    But good dammit I gotta keep sayin the shit others are thinking = It's what I do
    Serious question = given that you are an alcoholic, are you still drinking ?

    Alcohol + guns + this kind of crazy = bad outcome.

    Also: weren't you suicidal just a few months back ? This obsession with guns will work wonders for that.

    You are the exact demographic that these mass shooters come from. Think about that. And go to an AA meeting.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Serious question = given that you are an alcoholic, are you still drinking ?

    Alcohol + guns + this kind of crazy = bad outcome.

    Also: weren't you suicidal just a few months back ? This obsession with guns will work wonders for that.

    You are the exact demographic that these mass shooters come from. Think about that. And go to an AA meeting.



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    where did you get all that from.

    You really are one of the scary pricks who want to tell others how to live.

    The words you type might lead one to believe you just don't get it.

    I think you know exactly whats going on. You want the masses defenceless so you can really fuck with them.

    If your'e felling a bit stressed and not safe. Need to relax and let down your'e guard?

    Go to a Gun Range. Safest place on the planet. All walks of life getting along.

    Gun Range Google it for any town in America.

    You may have silenced a large segment of the population. But we all in general do not agree.
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    Pretty sure he is in top ten of peoples ignore list.
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    Alcohol + guns + this kind of crazy = bad outcome.

    Awesome description of a Typical Public official or Veteran Cop.

    But hey, we don't want to stereotype people Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SB View Post
    Pretty sure he is in top ten of peoples ignore list.
    Yea, I don't have him on ignore yet. Then every thread would be solid white because "You can't see this because"

    I'm not really laughing, but have you seen the number of women "Young and old" walking into a gun store and gun range lately?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTT View Post
    where did you get all that from.
    From your own posts about your alcohol and depression issues. Adding guns to that equation is bad news.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Peruvian View Post
    Beyond the false equivalence of a motor vehicle accident vs. an intentional shooting, we have as a society mandated all sorts of safety precautions to make sure that car crashes are less deadly than in the past (softer materials, seat belt laws, etc). So why can't we do the same with guns?
    We live in a Car Society, and pretty much everyone has a car. Cars are faster and more powerful than anyone could ever have imagined.

    We live in a gun society. --- See where this is going?

    OMG look at that man, he has a HellCat. Run he might stomp on the gas and kill me ???

    You cock suckers who like to control everyone else. Actually got the government to mandate that cars had speedometers that only went to 85MPH

    And there we were laughing and showing each other the Dent in the needle from the repeated slamming into the 85 mph pin.
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    We should ban cars because of drunk drivers.

    You do not need a high performance car to do anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    From your own posts about your alcohol and depression issues. Adding guns to that equation is bad news.



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    You obviously need another hobby, where you can get outside away from the computer.

    Have you considered recreational pistol shooting?

    I can see you need help. I am a member at one of the local gun clubs here in reno. I can bring in guests at no charge.

    Most of the instructors are moonlighting peace officers.

    I'll take you there. It will change your'e life, maybe bring you some joy.

    But sadly it won't make your'e dick any bigger/
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    “Five men tried to rob a young woman this morning. They didn’t expect her to grab her handgun and fire. Today, she is unharmed, and at least one suspect is shot.”

    https://abc13.com/amp/woman-shoots-m...mpression=true

    Quote Originally Posted by SB View Post
    We should ban cars because of drunk drivers.

    You do not need a high performance car to do anything.
    Or ban alcohol cuz that worked so well last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acinpdx View Post
    The result is a high density of gun ownership that has been statistically shown to create less safety, not more (accidents, civil/social violence, and suicide end up being more prevalent in places with more guns).
    Actually, the statistics do NOT back this up sir. Quite the opposite is true in fact. States with higher gun ownership and less "gun control" measures ARE safer states, and the statistics back THAT up. As an example, here is a chart from the FBI Uniform Crime reports in 1998, 2011, 2014 and 2017, comparing violent crime in the Northeast:
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    Massachusetts, which has - by FAR - the strictest gun laws and fewest amount of guns, is actually the most dangerous place to live in New England. NH, VT, Maine - which have almost NO gun control measures (constitutional carry) are much safer places to live. Pulling the zoom out of the northeast, the 31 states in the USA that have “shall issue” laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. You are incorrect in your assertion that higher gun ownership reduces safety.

    Guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013...ublic-unaware/
    https://www.cato.org/publications/co...yths-realities
    https://goal.org/Documents/2018-MA-report.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by SB View Post
    Pretty sure he is in top ten of peoples ignore list.
    Harry?

    Nah. Not even close.
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    See what I mean.

    The last tournament I was in I started off kinda bad. but by the 4 stage I was in the fucking zone! And then I got D Fucking Qed for breaking the 180 rule. - shooting a target at my 3 Oclock.

    I need to really practice my movements. Moving around, keeping the gun pointed the right direction while focusing on the next set of targets. Swapping out mags while on the run. Shooting while walking across a field of fire.

    Hey if I put a bunch of blue tape boxes on the driveway and and start running between them dry firing my tricked out 45. Ejecting empty mags and ramming in new ones. Until I'm all sweaty and exhausted.

    You think my trailer trash neighbors will mind?
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    Lol the drunk mother fucker says gun ranges are the safest place on the planet.

    Even a child knows that is wildly untrue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MTT View Post
    Alcohol + guns + this kind of crazy = bad outcome.

    Awesome description of a Typical Public official or Veteran Cop.

    But hey, we don't want to stereotype people Right?
    Mentally ill post.
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    MTT is a waking psyop

    This dumb bastard calls cops peace officers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Joe View Post
    Actually, the statistics do NOT back this up
    You're incorrect & your citations are misleading, but I'm not going to start a long pedantic back/forth in the GUNS thread to battle this out with you guys here. If you want, we can do that in a separate thread, and leave this thread for advice/pictures & general gun nerdery

    i came here because i'd like to hear what the denizens of this thread say; one person has replied

    "do you aspire to living in a prevalently armed society?"
    not: is this what i'm prepared to do? but rather, given choices, what would you prefer?

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    Diamond joe is jerking off to a bad faith straw man
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    Quote Originally Posted by acinpdx View Post
    You're incorrect & your citations are misleading, but I'm not going to start a long pedantic back/forth in the GUNS thread to battle this out with you guys here. If you want, we can do that in a separate thread, and leave this thread for advice/pictures & general gun nerdery

    i came here because i'd like to hear what the denizens of this thread say; one person has replied

    "do you aspire to living in a prevalently armed society?"
    not: is this what i'm prepared to do? but rather, given choices, what would you prefer?
    I'm from Canuckistan, yes, I'd like to live in a prevalently armed society especially if the only armed people are criminals or the gov't.
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    Is an ak47 an assault rifle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitaldeath View Post
    Is an ak47 an assault rifle?
    Yes


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