GUNS!!!!!!!!

[TNKen]

It's a Glock.

LOL, unfortunately, not dishwasher safe like a Glock.

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New Shockwave rigged for bear. The retention strap goes through the paracord toggle on the Kydex trigger guard.
I carry it loaded, safety off. When I need it, I reach back with my right hand and draw it quick. That pops the Kydex off as the gun comes over, the foreend landing in my left hand.

Gun is readied up in Condition 0 about as fast as I can draw a Glock from a hip holster, or .454 Blackhawk from chest holster with a thumb strap.

DDupleks Monolit 28 steel slugs @ ~1500fps

[waxman]

100% with you on the well built older guns. My FIL, who introduced me to skeet, trap and sporting clays, bought me a 1950 era Model 12 with fixed Mod choke that had been used as a deer gun (peep sight mount and all) and sports the wear Mark's and dings of a gun that spent its life in the field. Gun was $200 at a going out of business sale.

She is not a looker, but the gun is so smooth you feel like it could pump itself. I'm just a once or twice a year shooter in the time since kids arrived but can still hit the broadside of a barn. On several occasions I've seen sneers when I joined a sporting Clay's or skeet group carrying big money Krieghoffs or the finest Italian O/U of the day with my old M12. On nearly every occasion, after 20 shots someone asks what kind of shotgun it is or recognizes it as a model 12 and tells a story of regret in parting with one in years gone by.

Might just be how the gun fits me, but I've never shot another shotgun that pointed as well as a model 12.





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Yeah, if they're turning their noses up at a Model 12 they're new money and don't know a good thing when they see it and think you can buy good score.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

I like my model (19)12.

Handed down for over 80 years, no patina left. It will look good over a fireplace one day, but it's not quite there yet.

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Gun store flunkies may call these "Modern Sporting Bullpups" but we all know these are the classic old fowling pieces the next generation will cherish over their mantles:

[riser4]

If they could get the .410 down to 26"/18" and use a 20 round detachable magazine, I'm in.

[zion zig zag]

I started hunting with those contractor ear plugs that sit on an orange band around my neck. Makes it a lot easier.

That said, I have shot an elk without and I'm sure it didn't help my hearing. But at the end of the day, you're talking two shots max a year without ear pro...and that's only if you fuck up.

Having the break makes me a better shot due to less recoil (more square and less flip) and the ability to watch the shot impact. Definitely worth it to me.

I'd like to try one in my rifle/caliber. I've just always heard that the blast is too loud and violent to ever mess up and not use hearing protection.

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^
I've shot several O/Us over the years and I did find a Beretta that felt really good. However, there is something cool about shooting a 70 yr old 12 gauge pump or 101 yr old 16 gauge pump when everyone else is using autos and O/Us. The fast sporting clay doubles into brush or trees are the only shots where I miss an O/U.

I've never shot a High Standard. I will have to find one.

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An heirloom Model 12 is no doubt a treasure.
But if the joys of antique though by no means obsolete plain barreled pumps on clay targets weren't all subjective and rhetorical, the guys who compete at it for $$ in Open classes would all be swinging them.
But they don't. They universally swing thin long O/U guns with flat sighting planes, because those guns are better for what they do [even though none of them are looking down the barrel when they "break"] :

[zion zig zag]

Back to the hunting rifle for my son question; I get a small deal on Vanguards, and they ended up being out of stock on the 6.5CM that he wanted. They do have the rifle in 7mm-08, which seems like a small step up. Any particular thoughts on that cartridge?

[TNKen]

Of course it is a .308 necked down to a 7mm. I have whacked a lot of deer with one. Step up from a .243 which is based on the .308 cartridge. 7mm is a heavier bullet and good caliber.

[The Reverend Floater]

My very first shotgun was a model 12. I think I looked up the serial number once and it was very, very old and also possibly a LE configuration, as I think it holds around six or seven 12 gauge shells. It hasn't functioned in years but I'll be holding on to it forever. My mom bought it for me when I was 11 (ooooff...a lot gun for kid).

I'll have to look up that serial number again.

[Conundrum]

7mm-08 will give the option of heavier bullets and can put more powder behind it if that's what you're into.

[zion zig zag]

7mm-08 will give the option of heavier bullets and can put more powder behind it if that's what you're into.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Little faster, little heavier bullets, better crossover elk rifle. And still lighter (weight and recoil) than his 300wm.

[Sessiøn]

LOL, unfortunately, not dishwasher safe like a Glock.

Just saying the guy in the picture....his gun is a glock. Gen 4. Not sure what model. But it looks to have a TTI carry magwell, and the magazine has a TTI magazine extender.

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My kid is getting a new elk/deer rifle, synthetic, bolt action something (I think he's leaning towards a Weatherby Vanguard). He wants a 6.5 creedmoor so that "it's more fun to practice with." He said his self-imposed shooting limit will be 300 yards. Seems like too light a round to me, but how much energy should I put into talking him out of it? He has an old, wood stocked Ruger in 300 win mag but he won't want to carry that around anymore when he's got a shiny new, lightweight gun.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. [7mm-08] Little faster, little heavier bullets, better crossover elk rifle. And still lighter (weight and recoil) than his 300wm.

How old is this kid? Is the kid's $$ gonna buy this rig? What has a kid so turned off with a Ruger something-or-other in .300WM and so concerned about carrying an extra pound or two on a deer/elk hunt that he's willing to pay $1500 for a new red rider rig in a short action? Is he growing smaller? Do the kids at the country club make fun of him for hunting elk with a wood-stocked Ruger in one of the more ideal elk and sniper cartridges ever made? Is he a fashion plate, who needs to have the latest Gucci shit to impress a snooty materialistic peer group of elves?

Questions abound.

[zion zig zag]

How old is this kid? Is the kid's $$ gonna buy this rig? What has a kid so turned off with a Ruger something-or-other in .300WM and so concerned about carrying an extra pound or two on a deer/elk hunt that he's willing to pay $1500 for a new red rider rig in a short action? Is he growing smaller? Do the kids at the country club make fun of him for hunting elk with a wood-stocked Ruger in one of the more ideal elk and sniper cartridges ever made? Is he a fashion plate, who needs to have the latest Gucci shit to impress a snooty materialistic peer group of elves?

Questions abound.

He's 22, his money. And this Vanguard will run about $500. You've been overpaying.

As for the rest of your post; why does anyone need a new anything? New skis, new bike, new gun? We all have older shit that works, right? He may be getting smaller though, he's 6'3 and told me last night that he's down to 185 this summer.

[snapt]

My good buddy has a 6.5 Bergara he got on a trade from a tenant who owed him money he's looking to sell since he mostly bird hunts. Vortex scope and a few boxes of ammo. Shoot me a text if you want me to connect them. Super nice rifle for the money, it misses deer just as well as my 308

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He's 22, his money. And this Vanguard will run about $500. You've been overpaying.

Vanguards run $800-$1000 at any chain, and list @ $900-$1200. Lol all those fool customers are overpaying too?

I'm sure JR already has a brand new 56mm scope, and a friend just gave him the $175 they get for rings and bases for those badboys. And he already has a brand new case, & sling and just happens to have a bunch of ammo in the right caliber just laying around, right? You probably get that all thrown in for your $500, right?

Lucky you. So why are you sweating a $500 decision? If Jr doesn't like his new Weatherby Vanguard, just get him another one. You're still better off than 99.99% of Weatherby buyers who only bought 1 rifle.

As for the rest of your post; why does anyone need a new anything? New skis, new bike, new gun? We all have older shit that works, right? He may be getting smaller though, he's 6'3 and told me last night that he's down to 185 this summer.

Just trying to find out why he doesn't want to hunt elk with a humane caliber?

[zion zig zag]

Vanguards run $800-$1000 at any chain, and list @ $900-$1200. Lol all those fool customers are overpaying too?

I'm sure JR already has a brand new 56mm scope, and a friend just gave him the $175 they get for rings and bases for those badboys. And he already has a brand new case, & sling and just happens to have a bunch of ammo in the right caliber just laying around, right? You probably get that all thrown in for your $500, right?

Lucky you. So why are you sweating a $500 decision? If Jr doesn't like his new Weatherby Vanguard, just get him another one. You're still better off than 99.99% of Weatherby buyers who only bought 1 rifle.

You seem pretty invested in whatever narrative you have going about this. So....ok.

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More invested than you or your son, evidently...

Sometimes I get like that when my bullshit filter loads up.

[zion zig zag]

More invested than you or your son, evidently...

Sometimes I get like that when my bullshit filter loads up.

What the fuck are you on about here exactly?

New case and sling? I'm sure if he doesn't want to outlay the $15 for a new Butler Creek or the $20 for a new Browning soft case he can use the ones he already has.
$175 rings and bases? Talley rings for a Vanguard are fifty bucks at full pop retail.
Pile of ammo? You realize that he's going to have to buy ammo for whatever he shoots? Pretty sure they aren't handing that out in 300wm. As a matter of fact 7mm-08 would be cheaper than the 300.
Scope? Yeah, he'd probably get a new scope. But like the rifle, I have access to some deals. And I doubt he needs a "56mm" objective.

The kid wants a new rifle. He has a job and likes to hunt. I'm trying to help him make the best decision with collective input because $500 is a lot of money to him.

Now fuck off.

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What the fuck are you on about here exactly?

New case and sling? I'm sure if he doesn't want to outlay the $15 for a new Butler Creek or the $20 for a new Browning soft case he can use the ones he already has.
$175 rings and bases? Talley rings for a Vanguard are fifty bucks at full pop retail.
Pile of ammo? You realize that he's going to have to buy ammo for whatever he shoots? Pretty sure they aren't handing that out in 300wm. As a matter of fact 7mm-08 would be cheaper than the 300.
Scope? Yeah, he'd probably get a new scope. But like the rifle, I have access to some deals. And I doubt he needs a "56mm" objective.

The kid wants a new rifle. He has a job and likes to hunt. I'm trying to help him make the best decision with collective input because $500 is a lot of money to him.

Now fuck off.

Fuck you. You just made up some bullshit about your kid and $500 Vanguards to troll up some discussion, then get pissy when I don't speak in glowing terms of a stranger with no physical dimensions? The old .300 Win Mag is prob the only legit part of your spiel. Use that rifle for elk.
Save the short actions for deer, unless it's a short magnum and the bullet is 30cal or better. If you can only hunt both at the same time and place, use the .300 Win Mag.
At some point every hunter owes his game a humane execution, if he/she can manage it at all. Some "kid" trying to find the smallest fucking bullet that will cut an elk ventricle needs a fucking lesson in hunter ethics, and a bow. Maybe he'd learn to see his game as a live animal who will fight to his last breath, rather than a collection of pixels or just another purchase made with a piece of plastic.

[BobMc]

They have medication for this kind of stuff.

[Parvo]

I've always liked my .30-06 for all north american game. It's a universal round that is found everywhere. I did get a .45-70 if I ever want to harvest a bison, but I enjoy plinking with that thumper a lot and likely will never shoot tatonka.

On another note, as someone who would go through 1k rounds in a weekend, I've pretty much stopped shooting, and now just hoarding, stocking up my ammo. Should I forgo the paranoia and just get out there and throw lead again until my barrels are melting?

[exsparky]

I sold a third of my ammo (4,500ish rounds) during the Armageddon of 2020. I am still shooting 22's and 45's and maybe 12's later this year.

I'll get 9,000 for that money next year.

Side note, what is the max number of calibers you can have before you consider yourself having a problem? I have limited myself to 12... make that 14. But I'm really trying.

Does 37mm and shot gun shells count too? Okay 17.