New Shockwave rigged for bear. The retention strap goes through the paracord toggle on the Kydex trigger guard.
I carry it loaded, safety off. When I need it, I reach back with my right hand and draw it quick. That pops the Kydex off as the gun comes over, the foreend landing in my left hand.
Gun is readied up in Condition 0 about as fast as I can draw a Glock from a hip holster, or .454 Blackhawk from chest holster with a thumb strap.
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If they could get the .410 down to 26"/18" and use a 20 round detachable magazine, I'm in.
An heirloom Model 12 is no doubt a treasure.
But if the joys of antique though by no means obsolete plain barreled pumps on clay targets weren't all subjective and rhetorical, the guys who compete at it for $$ in Open classes would all be swinging them.
But they don't. They universally swing thin long O/U guns with flat sighting planes, because those guns are better for what they do [even though none of them are looking down the barrel when they "break"] :
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Back to the hunting rifle for my son question; I get a small deal on Vanguards, and they ended up being out of stock on the 6.5CM that he wanted. They do have the rifle in 7mm-08, which seems like a small step up. Any particular thoughts on that cartridge?
Of course it is a .308 necked down to a 7mm. I have whacked a lot of deer with one. Step up from a .243 which is based on the .308 cartridge. 7mm is a heavier bullet and good caliber.
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My very first shotgun was a model 12. I think I looked up the serial number once and it was very, very old and also possibly a LE configuration, as I think it holds around six or seven 12 gauge shells. It hasn't functioned in years but I'll be holding on to it forever. My mom bought it for me when I was 11 (ooooff...a lot gun for kid).
I'll have to look up that serial number again.
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7mm-08 will give the option of heavier bullets and can put more powder behind it if that's what you're into.
How old is this kid? Is the kid's $$ gonna buy this rig? What has a kid so turned off with a Ruger something-or-other in .300WM and so concerned about carrying an extra pound or two on a deer/elk hunt that he's willing to pay $1500 for a new red rider rig in a short action? Is he growing smaller? Do the kids at the country club make fun of him for hunting elk with a wood-stocked Ruger in one of the more ideal elk and sniper cartridges ever made? Is he a fashion plate, who needs to have the latest Gucci shit to impress a snooty materialistic peer group of elves?
Questions abound.
He's 22, his money. And this Vanguard will run about $500. You've been overpaying.
As for the rest of your post; why does anyone need a new anything? New skis, new bike, new gun? We all have older shit that works, right? He may be getting smaller though, he's 6'3 and told me last night that he's down to 185 this summer.
My good buddy has a 6.5 Bergara he got on a trade from a tenant who owed him money he's looking to sell since he mostly bird hunts. Vortex scope and a few boxes of ammo. Shoot me a text if you want me to connect them. Super nice rifle for the money, it misses deer just as well as my 308
Vanguards run $800-$1000 at any chain, and list @ $900-$1200. Lol all those fool customers are overpaying too?
I'm sure JR already has a brand new 56mm scope, and a friend just gave him the $175 they get for rings and bases for those badboys. And he already has a brand new case, & sling and just happens to have a bunch of ammo in the right caliber just laying around, right? You probably get that all thrown in for your $500, right?
Lucky you. So why are you sweating a $500 decision? If Jr doesn't like his new Weatherby Vanguard, just get him another one. You're still better off than 99.99% of Weatherby buyers who only bought 1 rifle.
Just trying to find out why he doesn't want to hunt elk with a humane caliber?As for the rest of your post; why does anyone need a new anything? New skis, new bike, new gun? We all have older shit that works, right? He may be getting smaller though, he's 6'3 and told me last night that he's down to 185 this summer.
More invested than you or your son, evidently...
Sometimes I get like that when my bullshit filter loads up.
What the fuck are you on about here exactly?
New case and sling? I'm sure if he doesn't want to outlay the $15 for a new Butler Creek or the $20 for a new Browning soft case he can use the ones he already has.
$175 rings and bases? Talley rings for a Vanguard are fifty bucks at full pop retail.
Pile of ammo? You realize that he's going to have to buy ammo for whatever he shoots? Pretty sure they aren't handing that out in 300wm. As a matter of fact 7mm-08 would be cheaper than the 300.
Scope? Yeah, he'd probably get a new scope. But like the rifle, I have access to some deals. And I doubt he needs a "56mm" objective.
The kid wants a new rifle. He has a job and likes to hunt. I'm trying to help him make the best decision with collective input because $500 is a lot of money to him.
Now fuck off.
Fuck you. You just made up some bullshit about your kid and $500 Vanguards to troll up some discussion, then get pissy when I don't speak in glowing terms of a stranger with no physical dimensions? The old .300 Win Mag is prob the only legit part of your spiel. Use that rifle for elk.
Save the short actions for deer, unless it's a short magnum and the bullet is 30cal or better. If you can only hunt both at the same time and place, use the .300 Win Mag.
At some point every hunter owes his game a humane execution, if he/she can manage it at all. Some "kid" trying to find the smallest fucking bullet that will cut an elk ventricle needs a fucking lesson in hunter ethics, and a bow. Maybe he'd learn to see his game as a live animal who will fight to his last breath, rather than a collection of pixels or just another purchase made with a piece of plastic.
They have medication for this kind of stuff.
I've always liked my .30-06 for all north american game. It's a universal round that is found everywhere. I did get a .45-70 if I ever want to harvest a bison, but I enjoy plinking with that thumper a lot and likely will never shoot tatonka.
On another note, as someone who would go through 1k rounds in a weekend, I've pretty much stopped shooting, and now just hoarding, stocking up my ammo. Should I forgo the paranoia and just get out there and throw lead again until my barrels are melting?
I sold a third of my ammo (4,500ish rounds) during the Armageddon of 2020. I am still shooting 22's and 45's and maybe 12's later this year.
I'll get 9,000 for that money next year.
Side note, what is the max number of calibers you can have before you consider yourself having a problem? I have limited myself to 12... make that 14. But I'm really trying.
Does 37mm and shot gun shells count too? Okay 17.
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