Best Gaper qoute of the weekend?

[ASmileyFace]

You know I've never actually tried to lock a toe out on the shift and then bring the heel forward enough to click in. I guess it could work??

[californiagrown]

Am I the gaper?

Story:
I’ve been seeing tons of people skiing in the resort lately on shifts with the toe pieces seemingly locked out (pulled up). I don’t own shifts but I noticed this on like 10%-20% of them.

So I told a guy I was riding the chair today with hey I think your toe pieces are in walk mode and he responded with “I know, you have to lock them out.”

I said oh ok thinking maybe I just don’t know how the binding works but why they hell would you lock the toe pieces on them? Doesn’t that defeat the entire purpose of the binding?

TLDR: Are there a bunch of idiots out there skiing with their shifts locked out or am I a gaper?


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I tapped two separate people on the shoulder early season to let them know their shifts weren't in ski mode. Neither understood what I was telling them. Now, with covid, I just don't bother to lean in and explain, so I mind my own own business when I see it all too often.

I did also see someone with full touring boots skiing shifts in the resort, obviously toe up. Which makes sense from a use perspective, but did beg the question, why a shift and not a full tech binding if you can't use the ski mode?

[TahoeJ]

You know I've never actually tried to lock a toe out on the shift and then bring the heel forward enough to click in. I guess it could work??

I suppose it’s possible with like 1-2mm of your heel piece being clamped down? Hmm.

[DigSki]

Am I the gaper?

Story:
I’ve been seeing tons of people skiing in the resort lately on shifts with the toe pieces seemingly locked out (pulled up). I don’t own shifts but I noticed this on like 10%-20% of them.

So I told a guy I was riding the chair today with hey I think your toe pieces are in walk mode and he responded with “I know, you have to lock them out.”

I said oh ok thinking maybe I just don’t know how the binding works but why they hell would you lock the toe pieces on them? Doesn’t that defeat the entire purpose of the binding?

TLDR: Are there a bunch of idiots out there skiing with their shifts locked out or am I a gaper?


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There are a shitload of them. I've done the same thing you did and had several people get very defensive, so I'm done pointing it out to people.

I actually don't think it matters functionally, but it does seem like you could snap that lever off really easily with it up. If you do that you're fucked and can't lock into walk mode.

[PNW_Skier206]

There are a shitload of them. I've done the same thing you did and had several people get very defensive, so I'm done pointing it out to people.

This exactly!! He was so confident he was right that I figured he knew his setup. Really bizarre. Hope these people don’t end up hurt.


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[9922]

This exactly!! He was so confident he was right that I figured he knew his setup. Really bizarre. Hope these people don’t end up hurt. ]

Same here, but only one time I had pointed out he was in climb mode. He got off the lift and skied away. I figured he either did it intentionally for personal reason, was embarrassed I noticed, or had no clue what I said to him.

[Yonder_River]

That's insane. There are some dedicated BB hikers that lap the same runs every day after day after day. I asked about one once, and an old timer told me that the 'dedicated skier' took a lot of acid in the 70s and wasn't all there upstairs anymore. He wasn't crazy from it, just a plain and simple man now. Made a lotta sense.

Slow dog noodle on bronco face back in the day was a mainstay. One piece, long hair, no hat.

[Ski220]

Talked to a guy about his Shifts while in the tram line yesterday. Said he had the DIN set at 13 on the toes and still get's inadvertent release. Maybe that is why they're skiing with the toe locked out. Of course, he was also talking about dropping Corbett's on them. So I don't know.

[anotherVTskibum]

I actually don't think it matters functionally, but it does seem like you could snap that lever off really easily with it up. If you do that you're fucked and can't lock into walk mode.

I've been wondering about whether or not it actually affects anything (aside from the potential for catching and snapping it you bring up). With normal tech toes, it would matter, and I'd probably mention it if I saw someone locked out in the liftline, but that's because I've forgotten to unlock my toes for descent more then a few times.

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[TahoeJ]

Talked to a guy about his Shifts while in the tram line yesterday. Said he had the DIN set at 13 on the toes and still get's inadvertent release. Maybe that is why they're skiing with the toe locked out. Of course, he was also talking about dropping Corbett's on them. So I don't know.

But why would anyone be descending on pins at all? Issues with pre-release have been all about forward pressure on the heel.

[thefortrees]

But why would anyone be descending on pins at all? Issues with pre-release have been all about forward pressure on the heel.

You are assuming these people have even heard and understand “forward pressure “

[TahoeJ]

You are assuming these people have even heard and understand “forward pressure “

Good point.

[doebedoe]

But why would anyone be descending on pins at all? Issues with pre-release have been all about forward pressure on the heel.

FWIW, I've handled at least one case of a friend who was pre-releasing because he set the AFD how Solly recommends rather than a notch tighter. His FP was right on. Snugged up AFD and no more prerelease.

[Peruvian]

Also last Saturday, I was chillin at the Canyons Village (currently on DL), and this lady came in flustered that her husband's skis were stolen off the rack. I felt bad until she was very rude and said they were Rossi Soul 7s, that they were $1000 skis, and demanded to know what canyons would do to replace them.

The wife may be a gaper, but the hubby is brilliant. He bought 2 pairs of skis but told his wife that the Soul 7s cost a grand.

If the second set of skis were for his girlfriend, they guy is a legend!

[mtnjam]

AFD plates and vibram sole touring boots aren't compatible anyways. Not sure why people are locking their toes out or for that matter why people are skiing aggressively with touring specific gear inbounds.

[paulster2626]

Not sure why people are locking their toes out or for that matter why people are skiing aggressively with touring specific gear inbounds.

Because skiing has always been about fashion and expensive gear dick-swinging since it's inception?

Skill is only 20% important 90% of the time.

[TahoeJ]

or for that matter why people are skiing aggressively with touring specific gear inbounds.

But that's the whole point of the shift. And yes, you can absolutely ski them aggressively. I can't really tell any difference from STH2's.

Or maybe you were just speaking generally about tech bindings inbounds, and if so, yeah, I don't get it either.

[snoqpass]

But that's the whole point of the shift. And yes, you can absolutely ski them aggressively. I can't really tell any difference from STH2's.

Or maybe you were just speaking generally about tech bindings inbounds, and if so, yeah, I don't get it either.

Maybe it’s about getting some time on that set up

[Sessiøn]

Chick in line at T-line this weeked. Shifts, touring boots, full Norrona get up. And of course a backpack.

Saw her snow plowing down a green.

[old goat]

My kid went to Cal, realized within a few weeks that if he was going to have any social life he was going to have to join a fraternity. The first one he ruled out was the one where they commented on the brand of clothing he was wearing. (He wound up joining a Southern based religiously oriented fraternity--however gamma chapter at Cal is just a little different.)

[TahoeJ]

My kid went to Cal, realized within a few weeks that if he was going to have any social life he was going to have to join a fraternity. The first one he ruled out was the one where they commented on the brand of clothing he was wearing. (He wound up joining a Southern based religiously oriented fraternity--however gamma chapter at Cal is just a little different.)

When I was at Cal the frats weren’t allowed to throw parties for a few years because of some hazing deaths. Shitty social scene for sure... but I was living with my now ex wife anyway.

[oftpiste]

I've noticed a thing happening this season. It's not a new thing but seems to be orders of magnitude more prevalent now. People stopping in stupid places (over blind rises, etc.), or large groups gathering in the most ridiculous places, alike blocking all access to lift line access. Jeezus people.

[snowaddict91]

Not the best picture but dude in the bike helmet was giving skiing advice to Houston Oilers starter jacket. Gave me a good chuckle.

[waveshello]

Maybe it’s about getting some time on that set up

This, or sometimes I go up early and skin a few laps before the chairs load and then continue on the same setup because I'm too lazy to go back to the car.

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[TahoeJ]

I've noticed a thing happening this season. It's not a new thing but seems to be orders of magnitude more prevalent now. People stopping in stupid places (over blind rises, etc.), or large groups gathering in the most ridiculous places, alike blocking all access to lift line access. Jeezus people.

Yeah I’ve noticed this as well. Especially blocking the lift maze entry.