Loveland tomorrow?

**rocca** · 03-13-2023, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by simple

So you're saying the light was flat....

Wait, are there other kinds of light? Also you and adrenalated don't count.

TFRMNP and N1CK, if you see some dude on Moments with a teal helmet ask for change. Would be great to share some laps!

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**skiracer88_00** · 03-14-2023, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by adrenalated

Well yesterday I skied weird refrozen and possibly rainfucked leftovers with most of Oklahoma.

There's skiing in Oklahoma? Learn something new each day I guess.

**adrenalated** · 03-14-2023, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by skiracer88_00

There's skiing in Oklahoma? Learn something new each day I guess.

Spring break bruh

**TransplantedFromRMNP** · 03-14-2023, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by rocca

Wait, are there other kinds of light? Also you and adrenalated don't count.

TFRMNP and N1CK, if you see some dude on Moments with a teal helmet ask for change. Would be great to share some laps!

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Did I catch the last seat in the Ridge cat with you & then follow you down velvet hammer on Sunday?

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**TransplantedFromRMNP** · 03-14-2023, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by N1CK.

Glorious today, for sure.

Sorry I missed ya up there! We should link up.

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**rocca** · 03-14-2023, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by TransplantedFromRMNP

Did I catch the last seat in the Ridge cat with you & then follow you down velvet hammer on Sunday?

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Nope, sounds nice though!

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**Jacques Strap** · 03-22-2023, 08:16 AM

I was at Loveland last Saturday and late in the day I saw this woman absolutely charging down the groomer. Full race stance, tipping hard, riding the edges, and driving her hips close to the slope. I caught up with her in the lift line and saw she was probably in her late 50s or 60s.

Wild.

I haven’t seen many less than half her age ski half as good as her. Pretty badass.

**Hacksaw** · 03-22-2023, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Jacques Strap

I was at Loveland last Saturday and late in the day I saw this woman absolutely charging down the groomer. Full race stance, tipping hard, riding the edges, and driving her hips close to the slope. I caught up with her in the lift line and saw she was probably in her late 50s or 60s.

Wild.

I haven’t seen many less than half her age ski half as good as her. Pretty badass.

Need photos....

**MakersTeleMark** · 03-22-2023, 07:23 PM

Most likely: https://www.youtube.com/@DebArmstrongSkiStrong

**timackie** · 03-28-2023, 02:31 PM

I may be skiing at Loveland on Saturday. Are folks selling 4 pack leftovers in the parking lot yet?

**stapes** · 03-28-2023, 07:50 PM

Any rumors on closing day yet?

**skiracer88_00** · 03-28-2023, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by stapes

Any rumors on closing day yet?

Rumors??

It’s May 7th. They always close the Sunday of the first full weekend in May.

**stapes** · 03-28-2023, 09:53 PM

Thanks. Guess I never realized that but makes sense. Last I looked at their site it just said early May. Was hoping they might extend it.

Do you know why they base it on that? FS lease? Just cuz, etc?

**bamboocoreONLY** · 03-29-2023, 06:40 AM

Man when tunnel face has a decent snowpack like it does now I always laugh that they rope it off the way they do. It was so friggin good monday and not even gnarly anymore. Obviously people just ski it, even patrol, but just one of those wimpy loveland things like the conservative way they get that mtn open all season.

**doebedoe** · 03-29-2023, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by stapes

...
Do you know why they base it on that? FS lease? Just cuz, etc?

Operating in May is operating at a loss. There are only so many skiers still going to populate ski areas. Those who end up at Loveland are on season passes, already bought 4 packs, and are drinking parking lot beers and grilling. They aren't buying day passes, they are buying rentals, they aren't taking lessons.

Deciding on the first week of May gives everyone predictability. Staff is incentivized to stay for end-of-season bonus. Folks know when closing day celebrations are.

**Danno** · 03-29-2023, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by doebedoe

Operating in May is operating at a loss. There are only so many skiers still going to populate ski areas. Those who end up at Loveland are on season passes, already bought 4 packs, and are drinking parking lot beers and grilling. They aren't buying day passes, they are buying rentals, they aren't taking lessons.

This is the conventional wisdom that has always been given about any resort that closes while the skiing is great. I'm genuinely curious why some resorts are now routinely extending closure dates, or -- like Winter Park -- saying "we're going to stay open as long as there is skiing", a space that used to just be ABasin (at least for the front range resorts). What changed for those places? Did the economics change? If so, why hasn't it changed for Loveland?

**doebedoe** · 03-29-2023, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

This is the conventional wisdom that has always been given about any resort that closes while the skiing is great. I'm genuinely curious why some resorts are now routinely extending closure dates, or -- like Winter Park -- saying "we're going to stay open as long as there is skiing", a space that used to just be ABasin (at least for the front range resorts). What changed for those places? Did the economics change? If so, why hasn't it changed for Loveland?

I believe most Ikon pass resorts get a $ per skier day at said resort from Alterra. That makes the pass economics very different than Loveland which isn't on a mega pass. Not a lot of Powder Alliance redemptions going to come in May.

Alterra and Vail also have the incentive to use extended seasons as a loss leader to sell their product and compete against the other. They don't have to operate all their ski areas in a catchment, just part of one (e.g. upper mtn at Breck or Mary Jane).

**Soups** · 03-29-2023, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

This is the conventional wisdom that has always been given about any resort that closes while the skiing is great. I'm genuinely curious why some resorts are now routinely extending closure dates, or -- like Winter Park -- saying "we're going to stay open as long as there is skiing", a space that used to just be ABasin (at least for the front range resorts). What changed for those places? Did the economics change? If so, why hasn't it changed for Loveland?

While this is the conventional wisdom, I believe the Loveland thing has to do with the FS lease and the fact that it is the largest wildlife corridor along and across I-70.

At least that's what I heard once, and it sort of makes sense.

Still sucks they close every year with pretty much the most base they've had all year.

**doebedoe** · 03-29-2023, 01:30 PM

I've never heard jack about a FS requirement in many seasons of being in the patrol room. Race training stays active well after public close.

**skiracer88_00** · 03-29-2023, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by doebedoe

Race training stays active well after public close.

yeah, this.

I have been told that it is a function of the want to provide staff with a reliable end-date so that they can plan their off-season.

Loveland is an important wildlife corridor in the summer, but I certainly have not seen big game up there while there is still a ton of snow on the ground.

**adrenalated** · 03-29-2023, 03:50 PM

All the resorts love to go with the "wildlife corridor" excuse mostly because nobody can fact check them on it since the FS leases aren't public.

Regardless, animals migrate based on weather an conditions, not what day the calendar says. And there ain't no fucking big game moving through when there's still 5ft of snow on the ground. So regardless of what the lease says, if the ski areas wanted to contact their FS offices and say "yo there's five feet of snow on the ground and no fucking elk can we stay open another couple weeks?" I'd imagine they'd generally get approval.

They close because of money. That's it. Which is fair, they're a business, but it sucks when you're a skier.

**doebedoe** · 03-29-2023, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by adrenalated

... excuse mostly because nobody can fact check them on it since the FS leases aren't public.....

I was curious so I FOIA'd the first 500pages of FS permits a few years ago. (You have to pay for anything past the first 500). They redact earnings information but most of the content is there. A couple of places in CO had some restrictions on where/how to operate at certain times, but none had mandatory closures.

**The SnowShow** · 04-02-2023, 11:04 AM

Anyone have an extra 4 pack day(s) they don’t think they’ll use and want to sell?

**timackie** · 04-03-2023, 09:53 AM

I see the Corn Harvest is on the books for April 29, but don't see any way to get tickets through Loveland or Friends of CAIC. Eventbrite.com has tickets available with a $8 service fee, but WTF is Eventbrite.com? Is this a reliable outfit or will they be drinking my beer, eating my bbq, wearing my Hawaiin lei and winning raffles with my tickets?