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  1. #1
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    Thumbs up K2 Sahale review

    not that theres a ton of interest on TGR for a ski thats 102/70/89 and 160 in length but since there are still a few pairs left at BCoutlet.com at $155.98 I thought I'd throw a review up for anyone who's looking for a lightweight spring ski

    here goes:

    Picked these up off of SAC during the fall. Decided to go really short as this would be a quiver ski and I wanted to save weight for spring tours/ski mountaineering. So far this year I've wound up mostly using them for teaching the mini-animal how to ski and I'd been impressed with them thus far. Even though I'd been on greens, I'd been able to run them through sideslips, kickturns, and lots of different radius turns(they also make great pie turns )

    In order to really get full confidence in them I needed to get off of the greens and into some steeper and faster terrain before giving them a seal of approval. Last night I finally got to test them on inbounds hardpack and they performed.

    I'd been really worried about the length but after one run my fears were put to rest. Conditions were a light dusting of natural + manmade on top of a firm hard base that was scraped off in spots.

    At speed what little chatter I observed in the tips was not noticeable underfoot. With regards to a speed limit, you might say it has one, but thats only because they won't straightline, as long as you're locked into a turn, feel free to push them as fast as you would like. Given the fact that my BC skiing speeds are far less then what I was skiing last night, I'm fairly confident in saying that on a firm surface, I will not find that this ski has a speed limit.

    Edgehold was superior, not once did I think that the ski was going to wash out of a high speed arc, which is confidence inspiring for me as a big guy on such a short ski. The tail is very supportive during the turn, but allows for a huge variety of turn shapes from small hop turns to big swooping arcs. Also a plus was the fact that the ski was neither overpowering or overpowered by my boots.

    Not that the TLT 700 is a ton of boot, but with an added WC booster strap, wedges underfoot, and a rear spoiler, its definitely closer to something like a Megaride/Struktura/Denali then a Laser/Matrix/F1 class of boot that I think the ski was intended to be skied with.

    I've taken them uphill once, and most of that was with them on my pack, so I don't have much to comment there, but as would be expected, they're light, and skinning flats with them was a joy.

    I still have yet to get them in more variable conditions, which will be the true deal maker. I'm planning on using them mainly for spring corn and late season snow patch laps, so how they respond in conditions like mashed potatoes and sun crust will be key in deciding how useful they truly are. However, for doing skin laps at Magic when my pass is blacked out, a long low angle tour, or perhaps a rando race they'll be just about perfect.
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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    just a quick bump for a little update

    last night I threw the headlamp on and took them for a few laps in a glade I cut over the summer(in my backyard) Its flatter then rontele's vail shots, but when I get enough snow to pile at the top of the hill I can get enough speed to ski.

    conditions in my backyard were 5-6" of unconsolidated over a 3" base with a little crust on top

    Again I was pleasantly surprised, my rig for this kind of low angle bushwhacking has been a 180 Alpina Cross terrain, and normally its tough to get enough speed to get it to maneuver. The stiff tip and larger sidecut on the X-terrain lead to making a ton of jerky, uncoordinated turns from the backseat as I try to avoid crashing into trees or thickets. The Sahale was an entirely different experience, the tails sunk, the tips floated and I was able to make smooth turns as long as I could keep the speed up. I found putting skins on to be a pain since I was used to the waxless pattern on the cross terrain, but it is what it is. Skinning back up the hill was painless due to the light weight, and ski thicketeering was much simpler on a 160 then a 180 since there was a lot less ski to get caught in the underbrush.

    I'm gonna take them out to my local BC haunt sometime later in the week for a full on fact finding mission, and given their performance thus far, I'm actually looking forward to it
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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    Thanks for posting... good info.

    The darn things were just on SAC for like $102!!

    I am interested in this ski in a 168 for Rando racing

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentheskier View Post

    The darn things were just on SAC for like $102!!

    I am interested in this ski in a 168 for Rando racing
    Thats why I scored them then, such a sweet deal even if they sucked it wasn't much of a financial hit
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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    Laser, how tall are you and how much do you weigh?
    Last edited by sethschmautz; 12-20-2007 at 05:05 PM. Reason: Left myself wide open on that one.

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    5'11" 230#

    so yeah these are kinda short

    like I said above I was fully expecting these to be "interesting" and pretty one dimensional and have been really shocked thus far

    I expected with the light weight(2318g pair) they'd be complete noodles and the short length would make them absolutely useless for "skiing"

    but the way they absolutely ripped on groomers, so long as they can survive in manky conditions I'd have no problem using them in places like Tucks or the Dack's come the spring corn season.

    I mean I don't want to fawn all over them and make it sound like they're gonna replace my 180 Heli Daddies as my everyday workhorse in the BC.

    But before skiing them I had them pigeonholed as useless for anything but spandex clad rando racing, and it would appear that they're way more versatile then that
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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    I have a pair in 174's. I absolutely love them. They perform well for their width in all conditions. Skied everything from boot/knee deep pow to bullet proof ice near the summit of a 14er. super light, so climb well. They make all length turns well, hold an edge awesome. Since they're skinny, they take some muscle in the pow, but are fun still. they make for a great randonee ski and general ski mountaineering ski. I wouldn't take them out for an everyday or pow ski, but they can handle that if need be.
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    You guys are not making this easy. I have a buddy who has a pair and seems to love them also. He skied them on a Rainier trip that we did a few years back. Even with a 50lb pack he said that they skied really well and we were absolutely ripping the Inter-glacier on the way down. I think his might be 174s also, but it sounds as though the shorter lengths might ski just fine also! I'm a bit lighter, so that bodes well for a ski that I might have otherwise dismissed on it's short length. I'll try to keep my eye on SAC and see if they come up for another $100. If so, I might not be able to resist. My wife might kill me. Any conditions that you would favor these skis in? Thanks for the info.

    As an aside, my buddy skied his Sahales at the N.A. Randonee championships on his Mega-Rides and finished 12th overall. (He's an animal) He said that he probably had the heaviest setup there. He ended up buying an actual racing setup that is stupid light and skinny. Maybe I can score his Sahales or at least borrow them. . .

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    last bump

    finally got them out in some real world BC conditions

    decided to make a quick lap during the rainstorm we had out here today

    conditions were fairly compacted wet snow, but ranged from very firm to complete slush 2 feet away.

    this was exactly what I was looking for to test just how well the Sahale actually skis when you throw tough conditions at it.

    As expected on the uphill portion they were ridiculously fast on anything flat or firm, and held an angle while climbing just as well as my fatter boards. They were however somewhat bothersome while trying to break trail or move across more unconsolidated snow. The lack of length and width really made it somewhat challenging, I found myself being sucked down in wet patches my longer, wider skis would have slid over with no problems.

    Once again I was pretty surprised at how they handled on the way down. Granted I couldn't ski the same way as if I had my normal setup, but it was far from survival turns. I noticed the lack of waist width much more then the length which isn't surprising given the conditions. I lost some fluidity vs. a wider ski, but never felt like the ski was "getting away" from under me or wasn't comfortable in the terrain. I always felt like I could turn when I needed to and stop when I wanted to.

    After todays tour, I can pretty much validate that the Sahale isn't going to replace my Heli Daddies for everyday tours. But for days when I'm going to be on a tour with a long, flat approach to a line where I'm going to be skiing more cautiously, or racking up the uphill vert, or spending a lot of time carrying skis to the snowline they'll certainly get the call.
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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