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  1. #28576
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    back country people love putting themselves up on a pedestal, how they are so knowledgeable, prepared, and the smartest one in the room. So they put down all the pass rats, who are just out having a good time, I laugh cause I spent so much time up on loveland without a clue or a care twenty something years ago
    Dude, this is the backcountry. It is serious business. There is no place for scrubs with chain wallets and monster drinks bootpacking, smiling and having fun.

  2. #28577
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    I miss the old days, hiking booters on the pass. No, we didn't have beacons, or probes, but we had some big ass shovels. Damn, I must have had a lot of energy back then, cause now the thought of building a massive kicker on the ironing board or pocahontas just makes me want to take a nap and take some vitamin I for my back.

    The inbounds skinning thing is great for soccer moms looking to get some cardio, but why not just get a spin bike? Way less gear to drag around.

    An any 1 class in the BC will be far more beneficial than one in the resort. People need to learn how to manage terrain so they don't have to use their beacons, but instead they'll spend a day walking around in circles looking for a beacon.

    Either way, this is probably what they should do with Berthoud pass I guess. Hire a guide crew that does avy mitigation, and a shuttle driver and you got a ski area.

  3. #28578
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    I know one of the guys starting Bluebird, he has an MBA from Yale, so he isn't exactly a dummy. I think there are a lot of people who are terrified 100% of the time in the backcountry that will pay for this. I think there are beginners that will pay. With the right terrain, experienced backcountry skiers might even go if there is controlled steep terrain. I would never think that people skin up resorts, but they do...

    More than anything, they have to find the right area for this to work.

  4. #28579
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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    I miss the old days, hiking booters on the pass. No, we didn't have beacons, or probes, but we had some big ass shovels. Damn, I must have had a lot of energy back then, cause now the thought of building a massive kicker on the ironing board or pocahontas just makes me want to take a nap and take some vitamin I for my back.

    The inbounds skinning thing is great for soccer moms looking to get some cardio, but why not just get a spin bike? Way less gear to drag around.

    An any 1 class in the BC will be far more beneficial than one in the resort. People need to learn how to manage terrain so they don't have to use their beacons, but instead they'll spend a day walking around in circles looking for a beacon.

    Either way, this is probably what they should do with Berthoud pass I guess. Hire a guide crew that does avy mitigation, and a shuttle driver and you got a ski area.
    When I was your age, we walked 10 miles to school ... and we didn't have shoes

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    I know one of the guys starting Bluebird, he has an MBA from Yale, so he isn't exactly a dummy. I think there are a lot of people who are terrified 100% of the time in the backcountry that will pay for this. I think there are beginners that will pay. With the right terrain, experienced backcountry skiers might even go if there is controlled steep terrain. I would never think that people skin up resorts, but they do...

    More than anything, they have to find the right area for this to work.
    This is an "inversion" of the climbing gym model. Folks who "graduate" from climbing gyms can have high level athletic skills but are clueless as to how to move safely through the mountains (and are clueless about their cluelessness).

    With this model, it's a stepping stone to navigating the backcountry. I've poo-pooo'd lots of things that ended up having huge appeal. Hell! I think Facebook is stupid. Shows you how much I know ;-)

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  5. #28580
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    So many questions, I don't really understand the business model and it sounds like that is TBD

    I think there are a lot of people who are terrified 100% of the time in the backcountry that will pay for this. I think there are beginners that will pay.
    Agreed, however my opinion is that education and critical decision making can mitigate so much risks. Backcountry skiing in Colorado is a fickle mother fucker. Sensible tours in sensible terrain on days with manageable avalanche hazard can do so much to reduce risk. I don't see how or why you need to pay to go to a skin access only fun park.

  6. #28581
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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    I miss the old days, hiking booters on the pass. No, we didn't have beacons, or probes, but we had some big ass shovels. Damn, I must have had a lot of energy back then, cause now the thought of building a massive kicker on the ironing board or pocahontas just makes me want to take a nap and take some vitamin I for my back.

    those were the days
    spending hours out there building kickers and launching into what might be considered an avalanche zone but the snow was always soft

  7. #28582
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    More than anything, they have to find the right area for this to work.
    Well, yeah. Profitable businesses are more about execution than an idea. So you'd either need what? 300" of average snowfall, private or FS/BLM lease, day tripable from the city, mechanized access. So basically you need to create a new ski area without lifts or lift ticket revenue. Good luck with that.

    It idea of having it be part of a ski area permit area is interest. Like Highlands Bowl or parts of CB or Vasquez Cirque or the cat terrain at Copper. Oh wait, we already have that.

    How I get it. You pretend your in the backcountry but you are at the ski area. You could even hire a guide that coach you on how to ski in the backcountry.

  8. #28583
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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    Either way, this is probably what they should do with Berthoud pass I guess. Hire a guide crew that does avy mitigation, and a shuttle driver and you got a ski area.
    That was a thing remember? Like, 2001-2003, Berthoud Powder Guides
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

  9. #28584
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    well I"m glad we are figuring out their business model for them and pointing out all the shortcommings and positives as well as the direction they are heading
    I"d just call it "skiing for punters"
    meanwhile I"m wasting a saturday morning working on my failing busienss model

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    In other news...skiing is just excellent right now. The Jane is open for another week.

    "I miss girls skiing in bikinis. Now guys wear short shorts and girls wear furby costumes"

    "Growing up that would have got your ass kicked, now it probably gets you laid"

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastfred View Post
    meanwhile I"m wasting a saturday morning working on my failing busienss model
    I wonder why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    That was a thing remember? Like, 2001-2003, Berthoud Powder Guides
    Yeah but they had a cat didn't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    Yeah but they had a cat didn't they?
    Yes but I think that you could still buy shuttle rides if I remember...
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    That was a thing remember? Like, 2001-2003, Berthoud Powder Guides
    You can't ride here without a pass.
    Yeah, I remember
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Anybody skiing MJ today? PM me to meet up if you want.

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    You could pay the Powder Guides for a shuttle ride? I don't remember that. We were pretty much on their shit list however as we were the kids poaching the cat roads on our snowmobiles. Were those the best days at the pass? Maybe. Did the Powder Guides throw bombs? Can't remember that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    That was a thing remember? Like, 2001-2003, Berthoud Powder Guides
    I remember. It was fucking amazing. Wish that they were able to keep it going, but they ran it into the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil E View Post
    I remember. It was fucking amazing. Wish that they were able to keep it going, but they ran it into the ground.
    I was supposed to ski with the BPG during that massive '03 March storm. They canceled our day (understood) then I never got a chance to get it rescheduled before they went Tango Uniform. Opportunity lost.

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    I did my Avalanche Level 1 with BPG. Great class and we rode snowcats to access, shuttle busses for return. $250 class! Volkl VPro, Alpine Trekkers, Ortovox F1. I feel old.
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    I did my Avalanche Level 1 with BPG. Great class and we rode snowcats to access, shuttle busses for return. $250 class! Volkl VPro, Alpine Trekkers, Ortovox F1. I feel old.
    You are old. NTTAWWT.

    I still have my F1 Focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil E View Post
    I remember. It was fucking amazing. Wish that they were able to keep it going, but they ran it into the ground.
    That is false. The cat op existed to buy the Brazilians time before they had to clean up their mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    That is false. The cat op existed to buy the Brazilians time before they had to clean up their mess.
    whatever it was called, the few years they fired up the lifts in the early 2000s was a badass time for us front rangers. Lift access to rush chutes all day long? Yes please. Consistent bus shuttles up the pass all day? Yes thank you very much. Party atmosphere in those buses was a blast. They were WAY ahead of their time. It was a lot like silverton is now, except you didnt need a guide.
    Maybe someone should bring back the berthoud badass series?

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    Yesterday in the Park. We hit it a bit too late, and turned around where Dragon's Tail and Dragon's Tooth converge at the outcrop.

    Good workout, and and a few hundred vert of survival skiing in setting concrete.

    From the outcrop, looking across Tyndall Glacier ...

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    High alpine at Breck skiing so well this morning. Everything is so thick in the Ten Mile and Gore Ranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    High alpine at Breck skiing so well this morning. Everything is so thick in the Ten Mile and Gore Ranges.
    Yeah, and everyone I know is so "Over it" that they're driving 1-2 hrs to go ride bikes. Love it. Yesterday was one of the funnest slush days I've had in a long time. Almost as good as a good pow day.

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