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11-03-2016, 12:23 PM #26Gel-powered Tech bindings
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And the overlapping holes were with a tightly clustered three-hole pattern:
http://skimo.co/dynafit-low-tech-race-bindings
More fun along the same theme:
http://slc-samurai.blogspot.com/2014...se-is-too.htmlMo' skimo here: NE Rando Race Series
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11-03-2016, 12:37 PM #27Registered User
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Well, I am running out of real estate, so I just went pretty close. I think less than mm on 2 holes. Right next to JB weld filled holes on a metal topsheet.
I think 1 of thos skis is up to 6 mounts.
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11-03-2016, 02:19 PM #28
Yeah this not something to worry about. Fill the holes with plugs & epoxy, let dry, than mount as you wish. If some are half-overlapping or whatever it doesn't matter (although I guess I wouldn't want the same mount pattern 1-3 mm off where they are all overlapping, but why would you do that)
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11-03-2016, 02:28 PM #29Registered User
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11-03-2016, 02:33 PM #30
Plug the old holes and use helicoils or inserts were there is overlap with the new holes. Then your boot will be in the correct position. Simple.
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11-03-2016, 04:12 PM #31
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11-03-2016, 06:05 PM #32
If you tap and drill with a guide/drill press, you can insert skis when you want new holes only 1-3mm away (center to center) from old ones, essentilly shifting the old holes over a few mm.
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11-03-2016, 06:18 PM #33
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11-04-2016, 08:52 AM #34
Agreed. Forgot to mention, use wood plugs instead of plastic. And use epoxy instead of binding glue when you do this.
People DO worry too much about binding screw hole proximity! It's almost funny to watch rookie ski techs moving mounting positions all over the ski in an effort to maintain a certain (contrived) distance (6mm? 7mm? 10mm?) from old screw holes. Don't believe this urban myth!Leave No Turn Unstoned!
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11-04-2016, 11:22 AM #35Registered User
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11-04-2016, 11:32 AM #36
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11-04-2016, 11:52 AM #37
Model boat building supply websites have 4mm hardwood dowel if you want to cut your own tight-fitting plugs (I use a Dremel with a cutoff wheel). It is kind of time consuming though.
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11-04-2016, 11:53 AM #38
It'd be easy and quick with a lathe.
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11-04-2016, 12:00 PM #39Registered User
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IMO once you cut the fibres in a core you have lost the strength of the continuity in that material SO I don't think elongating holes in a core is the best thing and so while wood plugs give you material to screw into I don't think a wood plug will restore that strength of continuity
I have used FG & 24hr epoxy to fix spinners with 100% success SO I would probably cram the holes with chopped FG strands & 24 hr epoxy making sure to not overly wet the FG strands and drilling that would work as well or > a wood plug IMO
While its probably gona be OK I have seen a guy break a ski in two due to elongated holes, once back in the day it was a 280lb crazy man on some foam core kniessel redstar slalom skis where buddy had put shims under the binding and elongated the wholes in the process, he was bashing black dioamond moguls with zero finesse for like a perfect storm of shitting on a ski, I folded the ski in half and put it over my shoulder to carry it down for buddy
I should point out at this time I was just being absurd suggesting that anyone should use a chainsaw file to elongate the holes in a new binding ... it might fuck up the chainsaw file ehLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-06-2016, 12:46 PM #40Registered User
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11-06-2016, 01:04 PM #41Registered User
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So you're saying the wood plug and epoxy will bond to the ski well enough that it will hold the insert no prob right? How long/hard have you skied on the skis you've done this too? Thanks for your feedback Joebornstein
I think I'll only need to do this on the front two screws for the front piece of the Kingpins. I think I can get fresh holes everywhere else.
[QUOTE=XXX-er;4844995] I have used FG & 24hr epoxy to fix spinners with 100% success
Sorry I'm dumb. Like the stuff you'd use for a canoe repair... those FG woven sheets?
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11-07-2016, 09:28 AM #42
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11-07-2016, 10:10 AM #43
This might help visualize the process (use of super glue not withstanding). Some of this is a bit over the top for plugging a ski hole.
https://youtu.be/vgtgcIlFGrs
... ThomLast edited by galibier_numero_un; 11-07-2016 at 10:25 AM. Reason: For clarity
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11-07-2016, 12:27 PM #44Registered User
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[QUOTE=Ride_a_Yeti;4846965] .
yes I use the FG woven cloth you don't need much, cut it into 1/2 inch strands, I wet the FG out with 24hrs epoxy but make sure it is not too rich, some of these ideas are a race to the bottom as to how sketchy one can you go and not have a failure ... this^^ is as low as I am willing to go
Usually if I am plugging holes I just use the plastic plugs you hammer in, I have used golf tee's and the like to plug holes its just a pain in the ass making them the correct size, you can also just buy 3 ft of hardwood dowel from most HW stores for a few bucks
?Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-07-2016, 05:24 PM #45
I don't know if it did/will help, but doing a remount for a friend that wanted the binding where the new holes just touched the old ones I dropped helicoils in after plugging the holes with epoxy and wood, figuring those might give some extra holding power.
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11-08-2016, 08:46 AM #46
[QUOTE=Ride_a_Yeti;4846965]So you're saying the wood plug and epoxy will bond to the ski well enough that it will hold the insert no prob right? How long/hard have you skied on the skis you've done this too? Thanks for your feedback Joebornstein
I have skied skis with multiple overlapping holes in several world tour big mountain competitions. I'm only 145 lbs. though....Leave No Turn Unstoned!
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11-09-2016, 09:29 AM #47Registered User
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Thanks all. The youtube vid is helpful. All comments are helpful. I think I'm going to fill the old holes with epoxy as XXX-er suggests AND move forward a CM. Although watching through this youtube vid I'm still considering overlapping...
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11-09-2016, 09:40 AM #48
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11-23-2016, 06:14 PM #49
That's what I did! Worked - thanks
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11-03-2018, 01:25 PM #50
BUMP!! for:
So I have some E98s, to mount the bindings where I want them, I'm going to get some overlap in two of the holes. The skis have a metal layer in them and require a tap. I want to try this method:
Any special considerations or better technique for the metal or the tap? I'm going to be overlapping by maybe even more than 1/2 over, will a guide/press be mandatory? Will I die if I attempt this?
Thanks!Last edited by Jong Lafitte; 11-03-2018 at 02:13 PM.
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