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    Once the chain has been initially degreased then...

    Once the chain has been initially degreased then waxed, I just swish the chain around in a few changes of boiled water for further cleanings. (Waxing with Molten Speed Wax.) Comes out super clean.
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    You have to break the links so the chain can...

    You have to break the links so the chain can actually flex and be installed on the bike (?)

    Still lots of flakes left to fall to the ground after just breaking the wax bonds.
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    I run it around my garage cabinet handles,...

    I run it around my garage cabinet handles, letting all the flakes mess up my benchtop.

    There’s a reason I didn’t last as a bike mechanic…
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    I know, but most (all?) of the wax companies talk...

    I know, but most (all?) of the wax companies talk about using mineral spirits.
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    Nah, dentists can afford the complete Silca...

    Nah, dentists can afford the complete Silca package with custom crockpot and Strip Chips.

    For real though, I do think the alcohol rinse probably isn’t necessary with Naptha/White Gas, but I...
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    Well, the idea is that any oil film left behind...

    Well, the idea is that any oil film left behind will prevent the wax from properly adhering, significantly degrading performance/longevity, and the alcohol rinse would remove that film.

    But that...
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    There’s no oil film left from alcohol because...

    There’s no oil film left from alcohol because it’s not a hydrocarbon. White gas probably has a small amount of heavier hydrocarbons (light oil) remaining from distillation (?) that don’t evaporate as...
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    If the Strip Chip impacts how you need to go...

    If the Strip Chip impacts how you need to go about future waxing, then for sure that would be a big inconvenience. Hopefully not the case.

    My assumption was that the Strip Chip has a higher...
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    But that’s just the first time. So you maybe...

    But that’s just the first time. So you maybe spend a bit of more active time on the initial chain prep, but you didn’t have to mess around with procuring solvents, containers, disposal of solvents,...
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    I think they’re trying to do everything possible...

    I think they’re trying to do everything possible to overcome the initial barrier to entry in waxing (other than price here, obviously).

    Just buy a complete starter kit and drop your chain in.
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    Some good info in this article as well: ...

    Some good info in this article as well:

    https://escapecollective.com/silca-stripchip-review-hot-melt-wax-a-factory-greased-chain/
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    Tru Tension is in that same class of ‘drip lubes...

    Tru Tension is in that same class of ‘drip lubes that have similar properties as hot melt’ as well, at a more reasonable price.
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    Seems like a scenario where applying a good...

    Seems like a scenario where applying a good quality wet lube after the initial Queso wears off - something like Silca Synergetic - might be the best option.

    I believe that the strategy Zero...
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    I think I may have come across as being too hard...

    I think I may have come across as being too hard on MSW here. You can get 1 lb. of MSW for $30 with free shipping from Tree Fort Bikes right now.

    180g of Swix universal glide wax (so their cheap...
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    That’s my general feeling with MSW. It may be...

    That’s my general feeling with MSW. It may be expensive for what it is - as in the raw ingredients - but actual cost to use is quite low. Especially when you factor in increased drivetrain longevity...
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    I have shimano chains and don’t know how many...

    I have shimano chains and don’t know how many times I’ve re-used the quick links now, even though they claim single use. No issues so far, but I’ve probably jinxed myself now and will promptly eat...
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    FWIW, my understanding is that both Silca and MSW...

    FWIW, my understanding is that both Silca and MSW are using tungsten disulfide now. Phased out Teflon and moly.

    Coxcimus, did you every try MSW or Silca? Wondering if you have a comparison.
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    I haven’t tried any hot melt chain wax other than...

    I haven’t tried any hot melt chain wax other than Molten Speed Wax, but my guess is that while your mix is probably better than the majority of the other chain lube options out there, there’s likely...
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    You’re a lying sack of shit. /s

    You’re a lying sack of shit.

    /s
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    Zero Friction process is mineral spirits changes...

    Zero Friction process is mineral spirits changes until they stay clear, then an alcohol rinse to remove residue.

    I have a lot of Coleman fuel, so use that. I still do the alcohol rinse, but not...
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    Maybe I should be thankful this is the first time...

    Maybe I should be thankful this is the first time I’ve come across this guy then.
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    I hate myself for it, but I watched this idiot’s...

    I hate myself for it, but I watched this idiot’s stupid video.

    His complaint is that Zero Friction just tries to get people to buy overpriced hot melt lube, but you should just use Squirt? That...
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    https://youtu.be/d56JA8tNlrA Fuck if I’m...

    https://youtu.be/d56JA8tNlrA

    Fuck if I’m watching some internet pissing contest.

    Zero Friction seems to be doing high quality work. I trust their results. That said, they’re doing very...
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    Marketing, I’d assume. Is graphene strong...

    Marketing, I’d assume.

    Is graphene strong enough to ‘dig in’ to the metal? I’d assume it would break since it’s so thin and brittle.

    My assumption is the base wax is by far the biggest...
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    No experience with that wax, but when Zero...

    No experience with that wax, but when Zero Friction tested the Absolute Black Queso it performed very poorly, and their hypothesis was that it was due to it being softer than Silca/MSW:
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    Pucks and last year’s bags should be the same...

    Pucks and last year’s bags should be the same formula, just different format. There was a period where they were phasing out PTFE, but unless you got old stock last year the bag was likely from past...
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    Zero Friction has tested some DIY and they don’t...

    Zero Friction has tested some DIY and they don’t perform the same as the commercial stuff - much better than most drip lubes though.

    The base waxes the commercial guys are using are not the same...
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    Not sure if this is the case, but if you watched...

    Not sure if this is the case, but if you watched the Silca video on hot melt, they make it way more complicated than it needs to be.

    I do what Zero Friction recommends:

    - wipe chain with rag...
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    Just do it! I have a tub of Super Secret just...

    Just do it!

    I have a tub of Super Secret just sitting. Gone full Queso w/ Molten Speed Wax and not going back. I tell myself the Silca’s there for back-up in case I can’t fit the Queso dip in one...
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    Apparently everything is going over my head today

    Apparently everything is going over my head today
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    Sarcasm detector fails me sometimes, which is...

    Sarcasm detector fails me sometimes, which is ironic since I’m a pretty sarcastic SOB
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    No noticeable residue from the Naptha, just...

    No noticeable residue from the Naptha, just followed it up with alcohol since that’s the recommended final step from Squirt and others - but they’re typically using mineral spirits instead of Naptha...
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    Agree, Coleman fuel works great. I still followed...

    Agree, Coleman fuel works great. I still followed up with an alcohol rinse just to be sure there wouldn’t be any residue left.

    Regular simple green can cause hydrogen embrittlement, don’t leave...
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    Silca Super Secret Drip/Tru-Tension Tungsten All...

    Silca Super Secret Drip/Tru-Tension Tungsten All Weather/Ceramic Speed UFO Drip are all newer style wax lubes where the waxes in the formula are the same types as being used in Molten Speed Wax/Silca...
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    Video that covers the hot wax process, from...

    Video that covers the hot wax process, from removing chain from bike, thru waxing, to reinstalling chain. Actual hot wax process is covered from minutes 8-13:
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    Similarly, I’m keeping my Silca drip around as a...

    Similarly, I’m keeping my Silca drip around as a fall back if I don’t get around to hot waxing - haven’t needed it yet.

    Not sure how it’s working with the Squirt over the MSW, but in general...
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    I live in Truckee (Tahoe), and we have some...

    I live in Truckee (Tahoe), and we have some pretty fantastic moon dust here. Before going to Molten Speed Wax, I tried the Silca Super Secret drip for a short period of time, but moondust was...
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    Zero Friction is the only company that has ever...

    Zero Friction is the only company that has ever done, and is currently doing, structured controlled lab chain wear testing for lubes. And they wear test for clean chain/dry contamination/wet...
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    I’d argue that there are definite measurable...

    I’d argue that there are definite measurable downsides with Squirt compared to some other options (hot melt, newer generation wax drip lubes), but that doesn’t mean those benefits, and all other...
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    Good hot melt (Molten Speed Wax, Silca) tests a...

    Good hot melt (Molten Speed Wax, Silca) tests a bit better than UFO drip, but UFO drip tested really, really well. Running costs are still noticeably lower with hot melt than UFO - both due to wear,...
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    I get that. I would say that hot melt is...

    I get that.

    I would say that hot melt is probably quicker than most people think, especially if you don’t unnecessarily complicate the process - literally a few minutes of actual working time -...
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    If you’re going to go though the effort, might as...

    If you’re going to go though the effort, might as well spring for some Brillat-Savarin?
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