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    That's the reasoning behind my desire to...

    That's the reasoning behind my desire to find/create a drip lube that equates to the MSW formula. It should have no effect on the mix when rewaxing.
    Naphtha evaporates pretty quick and clean so I...
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    I recently did a little experimenting. I scooped...

    I recently did a little experimenting.
    I scooped out a few oz of the new Molten SW and let it cool/harden. I then carved it up into small pieces and mixed it with naphtha in a squeeze bottle and...
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    No, no, no. A simple rinsing off of the mud and...

    No, no, no.
    A simple rinsing off of the mud and you're fine. That's part of the beauty. The wax forms a coating over the chain and, most importantly, fills the gaps inside the rollers.
    Yes, small...
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    There's a little more to that statement that...

    There's a little more to that statement that should be mentioned.
    Yes, an oil lube will stay on the chain longer in wet muddy conditions, however, keep in mind that it's also mixing that muddy grit...
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    Can't say from direct experience but I don't know...

    Can't say from direct experience but I don't know why it wouldn't. The key is that wax creates a nice barrier from the elements, whether that's dry dust or wet mud.
    Granted, mud is hardest on...
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    Once you've fully degreased the chain to start...

    Once you've fully degreased the chain to start your queso journey, there's really no reason to use a degreaser (like Simple Green) ever again.
    That's (part of) the awesomeness of hot queso; no more...
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    Naa, any good dentist would be swishing his chain...

    Naa, any good dentist would be swishing his chain in a can of Johnny Walker Black.

    To break the links loose I clamp a short length of 1" PVC in the vice to pull the chain around.
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    I just add the alcohol dip because it's so easy....

    I just add the alcohol dip because it's so easy. I use alcohol so often that I always have a container of it next to the bench. Just drop in the chain and pull it out. Drys almost immediately.
    Might...
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    And then a quick swish in alcohol to remove the...

    And then a quick swish in alcohol to remove the last little bit of film.
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    Well, agree or disagree, choices are good. Isn't...

    Well, agree or disagree, choices are good. Isn't that what this thread is all about.

    All together now, "Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya..."
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    Yeah, I was going to comment on that. Don't they...

    Yeah, I was going to comment on that. Don't they already have a great product that cleans the chain in about ten minutes and doesn't affect the waxing process?
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    Yeah, I don't know. I actually asked, in the...

    Yeah, I don't know. I actually asked, in the comments section, if you now have to always take the wax up to 120 and back down for rewaxing.
    I assume so, since the Strip Chip takes the wax melting...
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    See, I disagree. If you watch the video, this...

    See, I disagree. If you watch the video, this requires not just a higher temp, it requires 120*C for ten minutes, no more/no less. You then have to let the temp drop to 70*C, no more/no less, and...
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    A lot of science that may or may not be correct....

    A lot of science that may or may not be correct. Even if it is, I see it as a solution to a non-existing problem.
    Is cleaning a new chain once really that much of a problem? Enough to buy an...
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    Well, just looked and, sure enough, ZF has a vid...

    Well, just looked and, sure enough, ZF has a vid about it. Stay tuned.

    EDIT AFTER WATCHING:

    Not much info there. Kind of out of character, Adam uses the word "magic" a little too often for my...
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    Hmm, sounds kindof, well, hmmm. Not sure where...

    Hmm, sounds kindof, well, hmmm.
    Not sure where the oil lube goes except into the queso which kindof kills the whole point of wax.
    I'd be real curious as to what's in those bars to eliminate the oil.
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    After watching the Oz cycling DIY wax test video,...

    After watching the Oz cycling DIY wax test video, I was curious to see ZF's take on it. I also wanted to know if PTFE was being phased out due to performance or health/environmental issues (and the...
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    Meh, nothing a good cleaning and fresh Queso...

    Meh, nothing a good cleaning and fresh Queso can't fix.
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    My experience is that rinsing completely fixes...

    My experience is that rinsing completely fixes it.
    Here in NM, every ride leaves a coating of dust on everything. I literally rinse off the bikes after every ride. Thankfully, the dust comes right...
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    Since I'm using very small amounts, I just pour...

    Since I'm using very small amounts, I just pour it on a log destined for the outdoor fire pit.
    Up in smoke.
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    As far as using a mid ride drip wax supplement, a...

    As far as using a mid ride drip wax supplement, a part of me wonders if it's a good idea. A huge selling point of Queso is the self cleaning thing. You don't attract the grit and combine it into your...
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    You might try starting with gasoline, ala Oz...

    You might try starting with gasoline, ala Oz Cycling, and then mineral spirits & alcohol. Yes it's somewhat of a PITA to deal with but I tried it on my last cleaning, where I wanted everything...
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    This weekend, wanted to try a different wax...

    This weekend, wanted to try a different wax solution so I needed to do a serious chain cleaning that would eliminate everything, old wax, any old oil/grease, etc.
    Started with gasoline, ala...
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    I've never replaced a non-broken quick link....

    I've never replaced a non-broken quick link.
    Only broken two. One user error and one worn out (pin came loose).
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    Yeah, that is the Achilles heel of all lubes. Hot...

    Yeah, that is the Achilles heel of all lubes. Hot waxing isn't any worse but it is noisier because there is no liquid lube to mitigate the noise. On the plus side, there also isn't any liquid lube to...
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    When I had my shop I found a company from the...

    When I had my shop I found a company from the midwest called Fast Wax https://www.skifastwax.com/. These guys are wax savants that live for creating super-waxes for nordic racing. Incredible stuff....
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    I agree but mineral spirits doesn't seem to break...

    I agree but mineral spirits doesn't seem to break down the heavy lubes used in new chains that well.
    Especially getting in the rollers.
    Hoping white gas is a good middle ground.
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    Well?

    Well?
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    I've heard good things about starting with...

    I've heard good things about starting with gasoline. It seems like it would break down anything (oils, waxes, etc) pretty thoroughly.
    Never tried it but maybe on next chain.
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    Another thing regarding this noisiness. It is...

    Another thing regarding this noisiness. It is strictly the grit on the chain making it. It doesn't necessarily mean the chain needs more lube.
    Here in NM moon dust is everywhere and thus, things...
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    X2

    X2
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    The thing is, by spending all day in a dusty...

    The thing is, by spending all day in a dusty environment, that dust is going to get into your drivetrain, no way around it. Yes, wax lube will be louder/squeakier than standard lube (oil based) in...
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    No idea. I don't keep up with mileage. Figure...

    No idea. I don't keep up with mileage.
    Figure 3-4 rides/week with a 10-11 month riding season in NM moon dust.
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    I just sold my 2020 Ripmo and just realized...

    I just sold my 2020 Ripmo and just realized something. Both myself and Mrs. Roxtar have each gotten three years out of our XTR chains with no end in sight. They are still gauging well within limits. ...
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    The base wax I was using came from these guys:...

    The base wax I was using came from these guys:
    https://www.skifastwax.com/
    They're amazing, crazy, wax-scientist types. Far and away, the best ski waxes I've ever used.
    For a short period, they...
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    Does anyone know if there is any difference in...

    Does anyone know if there is any difference in the new MSW pucks and last year's MSW bags?
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    The Molten is so good I've quit using my own diy...

    The Molten is so good I've quit using my own diy mixture.
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    I used to go through a chain/year. Using the 2...

    I used to go through a chain/year.
    Using the 2 chain switching, queso method both mine and Mrs Roxtar's XTR chains are still going strong after three years.
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    While you're waiting for the fondue to heat up......

    While you're waiting for the fondue to heat up...

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