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    That'd be tough around here. There are quite a...

    That'd be tough around here. There are quite a few popular trails that aren't system trails. But they're not really "illegal" - a bunch of those trails have been around for decades. Everyone...
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    Huh. Interesting. Are any other user groups...

    Huh. Interesting. Are any other user groups singled out for off trail travel? Like, can you hike on an illegal trail, but not bike on it?
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    Maybe, but I think that'd actually be a somewhat...

    Maybe, but I think that'd actually be a somewhat significant change in how bikes are managed. Currently, I don't know of any rule requiring bikes to stay on trails (system or otherwise). I believe...
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    Yeah, I believe the travel plan rule only...

    Yeah, I believe the travel plan rule only requires addressing motorized uses. I'm just speculating here since they make it sound like there will be some aspect of route designation for pedal bikes. ...
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    I don't think the forest service wants to kick...

    I don't think the forest service wants to kick bikes out. They want something that's legally defensible and generally makes sense. But they also know that various wilderness groups aren't shy...
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    That sounds like they're sorta kicking the can...

    That sounds like they're sorta kicking the can down the road. Seems like they're skipping the RWA designation (which is a win), but it also sounds like they're leaving it open for a fight in the...
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    It'll be somewhat important for bike / recreation...

    It'll be somewhat important for bike / recreation advocates to say that alternative B isn't good enough. If the Wilderness advocates are pissed, the Forest Service needs some political cover if...
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    Just from glancing at that table, it seems like...

    Just from glancing at that table, it seems like this plan has the usual alternatives. Alternative D looks to be the ultra-wilderness, maximally protective option, while Alternative E is the...
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    I'd have to read back through the court orders,...

    I'd have to read back through the court orders, but as I understand it, this isn't a new comment process, this is a new objection process. Which is a lot different. Objections are mostly a way for...
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    Good to know, thanks for the info. And that...

    Good to know, thanks for the info. And that sucks.

    And this is why it's almost impossible to win. We're fighting the people that wrote the laws and regulations, they're far better funded, ...
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    Lee, I think that's a pretty solid summary. A...

    Lee, I think that's a pretty solid summary.

    A couple notes / amendments / additions:



    I view IRA's differently. WSA's and RWA's are their own unique thing that, at least with respect to...
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    If you're looking for other options, I believe...

    If you're looking for other options, I believe the 10 Lakes RWA up near Eureka is still technically open to bikes (although that may have changed recently - I haven't checked in on it in a little...
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