You will not be disappointed

Never got on the canoe-rocker 2017s, but my 2019 asym-fat-goat-tour-core variety are my favorite skis of all time.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CqvmVp3LGOo/?igsh=MTNlcWdyZ3ZxcnRrMA==

What length BGs? My asym C&Ds turn super quickly for a 189. If I were on the 184 they would absolutely shred tight trees.

It's true

Had wren 96's in the skinny slot for 5 seasons. They are a super fun ski but lack edge grip on any kind of firm snow. Newer metal versions might be different. Switched to commander 98s and my edge...

You're right I am being dramatic tbh. Go skiing with your friends.

But this is what made them SO GOOD. It is like Cy wrote in his article about the Ghost Train; 10X underfoot do everything skis are boring. Give use the specialized, superlative skis that big...

I think it has way less to do with what skiers in one region want vs skiers in another region, and way more to do with the fact that ON3P updates their skis every two seasons, regardless of whether...

Yet another epic day today on my Cease and Desists. Two+ feet at Alta, delayed road opening so several untracked laps. They are the perfect inbounds pow ski for me. Enough float for the deepest of...

Are you really?? most people have no tools and no way to check the tune before skiing. Even more DIY oriented folks who do their own wax and touch up their edges might not own a true bar. Most folks...

Put a 2* on my wren 96s. Hardly made a difference. They still leave a lot to be desired on firm snow. They never bite or hook up. You can put them on edge and ride it on groomers, but they are some...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4VkwyvYHCbU

My 2020 Cease and Desists still put the biggest smile on my face. (3ft of blower helps too :D)

Some C&D stoke since they have been a topic lately
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Cease and Desist are Fk'n rad and I am mad that I have only had two ski days this year with the right conditions to bring them out. Hoping for a miracle march...

I wonder what the difference is between the people who find wrens/woods/ON3Ps in general to be fine in hard snow and the people who find them to be absolutely useless/scary on firm. I learned to ski...

Dang looks like the 102ti has more rocker than the 98. I just did some digging and that checks out because according to evo, my 2019 96's have 153cm EE and the 102ti has 151cm EE.

Not saying I...

I am curious how the rocker profile compares to the previous gen wren 96. I have a non-ti pair and they are super fun but they have never offered much confidence in truly firm or icy conditions. I...

Cease and Desist days are the best kind of days.

Beautiful skis. I ride pre-ti wrenegade 96s with outlaws and while I love them to death in any kind of natural snow, I find them pretty uninspiring on groomers, especially icy ones. I thought it was...

I though 50/50 was the tour layup with heavy base and edge (which is what the C&D has) but I could be mistaken. They do weigh almost exactly 2400g per my scale. They are beasts to swing around for...

The C&D is a 50/50 layup stock and I wouldn't want any extra mass on my 189s (inbounds only). If you're a super mega charger then go stock core, but otherwise the 50/50 will probably be plenty for...

I know they slightly shortened the radius on the wren 96 from the 98, but I find my 184 96's to be quite enjoyable in bumps, especially soft ones. They are pretty much automatic for me, I don't feel...

This is they key imo. My cease and desists are mounted on the line and have been good the few (4) days I've gotten out on them, but I would go forward the tiniest bit (.5-.75) if I mounted them...

Big difference depending where in CO. Wolf creek: C&D. Crested Butte: Woodsman 108 lol.

For loveland I'd honestly go with a more versatile shape. There is a lot of windbuff even on pow days. I'd...

https://youtu.be/TgZfOQqNHqc

I'm not exactly rad enough to be posting skiing vids on TGR, but I was so stoked on the C&D's at Alta today that I figured I'd share. They are total surf boards which...

I like that idea. Alta is one of few places I can justify owning a 120+ inbounds pow ski, but it does get chopped pretty quick. Skiing a woods 116 the day (or week) after a storm searching for...

Powder specific = RES for sure. If it actually dumps in lcc this weekend I'll be on my C&Ds. Fingers crossed.

I had a similar awakening on my Cease and Desists. Absolutely love the skis, but it took a day to figure out that on anything packed I had to be 100% on it to not get out of control. I am skiing the...

Personally I don't see the point of a narrow goat inbounds. Correct me if I am off on this, but for touring the idea is that going narrow will significantly reduce weight. If I am going narrower for...

For a 96mm directional ski they smear really well, almost too well. They don't really hook up on firm groomers that well. It could be the tune or the lack of torsional rigidity that is likely fixed...

Looking forward for the first big dump to let these cats out of the bag. (Can't seem to rotate the pic on mobile :mad:)

I have also found this to be the case. I think the layups might lack the torsional rigidity for truly firm snow. When my wren 96s are sharpened up, they pipe turns on edgeable groomers, but are still...

I'm 5'11" 170lbs and ride the 184cm wren 96. In the woodsman I would go 182. I could rock the 187 in the 116 as a deep day ski but the 184 wren is plenty of ski and unless you're trying to rage 100%...

I'm 5'11," 165lbs and haven't had any trouble with the tips "folding" on the 184cm. I can see what you say about the slightly softer tips compared to the tails that are ready to rage though. The only...

My 2019 Wren 96 (not ti)in 184cm both weigh in within a gram of 2031g. Not what I would call "light" for a sub 100mm spring touring ski. The shape would be phenomenal for that purpose though. They...

For Alta/Bird I'd personally go with the first one, and wouldn't rule out the Cease and Desists instead of the Billygoats. Why not go big if you ski somewhere that legitimately gets big dumps? I have...

Hard to compare since I don't have the wren 114s, but I find the 184cm wren 96s to be plenty maneuverable in steep bumps, but its when things get lower angle and I want to flow/zipper the bumps with...

I tele on a pair of 184cm Wrenegade 96 with outlaws. I believe the reccomended line is at -9.3cm, but mine are a hair ahead at -9cm and I love them there. Definitely wouldn't go back, could maybe up...

I realize the ski has a proven design that everyone loves, and that the mount point is dialed and that if you ski RES your cock will grow a foot, but this is TGR tech talk, the land of examining the...

Ahh thats a good idea. And yeah I'm a little more sensitive to mount point because of the whole tele thing. I will probably get them anyway, but just like to make informed decisions.

I don't have the skis, otherwise it wouldn't be a question. I'm curious where that dimple is on the 189s in particular.

What is the recommended mount point for the new Cease and Desist? I keep reading that it is the same as the billygoat, and that the billygoat has a traditional directional mount, but whats that mean?...

Yeah I think I'm going to go big or go home on this ski. I love the megawatts at 125mm but they are straight noodles once things get tracked. Good intro to pow specific skis but I want to upgrade....

Hmm this C&D talk has me thinking. I've been dreaming about a custom pair for next season, but you guys have me considering the billygoat. I'll be living at Alta, so there is a high probability I...

I am very interested hear these comparisons as well, one of these two will be my next ski. Although I think I have decided on C&Ds (still waffling between sizes though... 🙄).

188 blue Megawatts...

What length are those?

Also: Anyone skiing the 184 C&D and wishing they got the 189 or vice versa? I'm sorta in between sizes and would like a little info on the differences. Normally I'd go...

Your skis can only tell how heavy you are, how fast you like to go and how effective you are at bending the ski. Your skis don't know how tall you are. If you're strong, have good form and like to...

Very enticing. Thanks for the help guys.

Whats the weight for the cease and desist in 184 or 189? Anyone have their pair on a scale? I figured it would be listed on the 2020 page but its still not on there.

My apologies if someone...

Yeah I saw it. You're not crazy. Talked about shorter goats being hard because RES is very flex dependent and it takes time to dial it in. It also mentioned a shorter fat woodsman for lady pow skis.