It can vary by boot if the template is based on BSL. Remember that the offset from the front of the toe to the pins isn't the same on every boot.

Like the old joke where the islander told the...

I could swear I saw "DIN" and not "RV" on their website, when I rechecked a few weeks ago. In any case, they still make this unclear as evidenced by the number of questions and misconceptions by...

That's my understanding as well, Lee, although I can't recall if the Vipec/Tecton is responsible for yet another new standard.

I've been searching for references as well. It seems rather odd...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a page or two back, I asked for confirmation about the new Raider toe. The 'DIN' toe varies the clamping pressure to allow for better retention - to keep from...

Thanks. Indeed, Skimoco is the best resource we have. I try to throw some coin at them when I can.

I don't have any concerns about this whole thing. The last time I shocked out of tech toes...

We have very few geek resources at the moment. I can count on one hand, the number of times I've visited Wildsnow since his departure. Good on him for having monetized his hard work. Too bad,...

Thanks for that! I was tempted to get even more wordy in phrasing my initial question, but I think your description nails it - at least that was what I was hoping to verify. I love ATK as a...

OK ... I haven't followed the Raider 13 Evo's "DIN" toe. A buddy is getting all wrapped around the axle - choosing between a better deal on an older Evo without it vs. a current model with this new...

They continue in their effort to proliferate confusion. As I look back at post #1, and my attempt to "connect" the various mashups into some sort of logical scheme, I know why I never returned to...

Great pictorial/narrative. Thanks!

... Thom

Of course, direct measurement is best. I've seen some of their recommendations being off (Look heels).

Also, a good substitute for the ground down heel screws are socket heads.

... Thom

Thanks, I was hoping that if @Spyderjon had some inventory to clear out that I could "help" hem with.

I just ordered from Snowcountry.

Earlier today, I checked with the various Euro sellers,...

Considering the vagaries of the tech system (wearing fittings, grit, etc), that's more than accurate enough.

... Thom

Well that sucks ... at least a little bit. I may hunt down some non-Evos, for compatibility with my other ATKs for brake swaps.

@Spyderjon ... are you all out of Raider 12s (non-Evo)?

RVs are...

I don't know if i missed this, but (1) can the Evo brakes be removed (left off) to ski with leashes, and (2) if so, will the risers flip over to work with the pins forward?

... Thom

And that way you save yourself from having to fiddle with that pesky, adjustable vertical release.
[/sarcasm]

... Thom

You said the Crest has low, medium, and high riser positions, and those expecting this will be sorely disappointed. But yes, riser positions for Crest/Kuluar are similar (same?).

Did we cover...

Rotating (pins rearward) gets you only a few mm higher than forward/flap over pins. Think of this as medium and medium plus a little. Its by no means high.

It might make a difference to some,...

The only problem I can see (with any tech binding) is that you might have to manually engage the toe when clicking in.

... Thom

Check your inbox.

... Thom

Regarding the rolling heel pins, if I recall Davide's comments correctly (Gear:30 podcast), it's the cam design on the rear pins which maintains parallelism, and therefore release consistency as the...

Here's ATK's page on the 15 Evo. Not much on the toe (and they haven't published the manual yet):

https://www.atkbindings.com/en/products-bindings-free-touring-en/

So, it's an Haute Route,...

^^^ QFT ^^^


That's pretty much the story. I don't see Rotations entering the room, let alone being in the conversation.



In fairness to the design concept behind the Rotations (not that...

Apart from the convertible tech bindings (Shift, CAST, Marker Duke PT, and Pindung), the only tech bindings which release laterally at the TOE, are Vipecs and Tectons.

... Thom

I never saw a brake option for the Helio 200 (Haute Route) either. My Helio 200 from 3 or 4 years ago certainly didn't have a brake option.

... Thom

Not that I doubted it, but I just checked my Haute Routes (Helio 200) and yes, both toe pins move symmetrically.

If this binder had a second flippy, it would be my perfect binding. I can deal...

My guess is that there's .0002" to .0005" too much play between the pin and the binding parts.

For an out of warranty situation, I'd look to a machinist for advice on sourcing some stainless bar ...

So, hand rotation ease is a function of lateral RV and how much leverage you can apply with your hands.

Smaller race bindings are more difficult to spin as a result. Sometimes, flipping the...

Good points about sketchy terrain, although I wouldn't count on any tech toe to hold onto my boot when unlocked and doing kick turns.

... Thom

Wut? You're not locking your toes on the up?

... Thom

Are you concerned with clamping force on the toes, or lateral release value?

They're two different things.

... Thom

Well that sucks. I wonder how many shops had to "eat" a bad mounting job because of that.

So as I was writing the above, I pondered my own flaws as I'm working on a CAST mount with inserts - the...

Rule #1 when mounting a binding for the first time: TEST MOUNT. No exceptions.

So the paper template was true? I'm having trouble believing that.

Assuming the binders were QC failures ... 3...

My 120mm brakes on my Raider 12s easily clear my +10 GPOs (126mm waist).

Of course the brakes are flimsy. What touring brakes that weigh 45 or so grams aren't?

I'll likely leave mine on, but...

We can thank my machinist for pointing out the obvious ;-)

... Thom

No direct answer for you, (but Jonathan has you covered).

Here's a quick tip for measuring with your dial caliper:

Measure the distance to the outside edges of two holes (not center to...

It may be time to kill that spreadsheet I mapped out in post #1. Attempting to cross reference the evolution of their products (model renaming, changes, and permutations) may have to wait until we...

So, this but add a flushing step, plus completely drying it out before lubing?

Something doesn't make sense. Perhaps you did this?
...

Lotta big boyz on TGR.

Something doesn't make sense. It surely sucks to walk out of your skis in consequential terrain.

I wonder if these Clydesdales have experience on Comforts or Verticals...

It's been discussed hundreds of times in countless threads.

Lateral release at the heel is biased toward ACL protection, and lateral toe release is biased toward protecting tib/fib.

It's not so...

Just not in the habit of hiding behind a screen name ;-)

Well, as I said in this thread back in October, congratulations on bringing ATKs into the country. So, I'll say it again: congratulations on bringing ATKs into the country.

The reason I was...

I think you should "design" a new color that ATK can subsequently adopt.

Here's a start: https://www.w3schools.com/colors/colors_picker.asp

It's getting to the point where they should just start having a "binding builder" table: pick toe piece X and heelpiece Y.

...Thom

Read up thread a few pages.

That was my point. How many tech binders are out there where you can get flat mode without some sort of reaching down to the heel piece?

Tectons/Vipecs? I'm sure they are one or two others, but...

Every one needs to be spun to get flat mode.

... Thom

I'll look into this.

I was stumped with how to cross reference ATK's multiple, back and forth name changes (e.g. Freeraider 14 becomes Front 14, etc), combined with the rebranded Helio, Hagan,...

Kick turns?

+1000