Yeah, we will just have to wait and see what this season will bring. Not skiing at a resort will not be the end of the world, and as noted brings some other blessings as well. I have a yurt trip...

We all the public health, epidemiology and contact tracing (or lack there of) being done, I would hope they would have a pretty good idea by now just where and how COVID19 is spreading. She we know...

Yeah, a bunch of new hikers who have never hiked before. They will either learn quickly, or more likely quite hiking.

Of course not, he couldn't walk 18 holes let alone actually hike. I am surprised his golf cart can haul his fat ass 18 holes without a recharge.

This

It doesn't have to be that difficult. Wear a mask when near others, take it off when not. Wear it in the lift line, take it off for the run/ride. Passing somebody on a trail, even within 6...

Bluffs help, how much is the question. Masks work by reducing the respiratory droplets we exhale. Think moisture, i.e. the foggy tou see when you exhale on a cold day. If you are on a chairlift and...

No point in trying rationalize with a bigot. If you could they wouldn't be bigots, right?

There is still a slight, deeply hidden resentment of "Okies" in California. Bigotry is a hard foe to vanquish.

Unethical is still a form of ethics.

One of the many problems with testing, and recommendations of when to test, which test, etc, are changing constantly. New information on this virus, how to treat, how to test, how to trace, is coming...

Interesting to watch the new dynamics working out. More rural counties here in CA are openning but want the urbanites to stay away, yet its the urbanites who spend money there arnd keep their...

Kids are over rated, if you are young enough they are replaceable.







...and if AR is reading this I must say it was a tongue in cheek comment since he seem to have difficulty with such...

So, with all that travel and anticipation you shout your load all instantly in one big bang?

Buster has a distinctive opinion on Gates, take it up with him. In general, I have found wealthy people in general, are assholes. I am sure not everyone is, but as a group, they are. I have always...

Tongue meet cheek


I think is is Buster who despises him. No doubt he is a jerk, and a rich one at that, but at least he does more philanthropathy then the average multibillionaire

He is a worldwide scourge, so yeah, I guess he quaifies as a pandemic.

The powers that be say no essential travel during these times of COVID-19...

This seems like essential travel to me.

Santa Barbara County SAR has been busier then ever since the shut down. Not avi related, but I suspect similar trends are occurring othe places as a new generation of newbies hit the great outdoors.

I posted so.ething similar before, and can"t remember the exact quote, but so.ething to the effect of...If public health is working properly nobody thinks we need public health.

If you shut things...

Los Angeles county just required all essential businesses wear masks and strongly advises all people out in publis wear them.

Was that mall walker?

When was the last time an internet argument had a happy ending?

One last point...public health is not about the individual, or individual action. It's about the aggregate, the group, the societal effects. Any one person has minimal effect, but large numbers of...

I have been saying stay at home as much as possible, not condemning any one behavior. It is not my opinion, but the advise of the public health leaders through out the country. If you don't need to...

I know 42 other governors who would disagree with that...not mention just about every public. health expert. One month ago just about everybody would have agreed, and hopefully in a month, give or...

No worries, I'll just put you down in the "Asshole" column. Carry on.

To quote an old mag..."I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity"...iscariot

Don't be that asshole. This is not about...

Yeah, appears surface contamination is a significant source. We do a million things without thinking about it. Sure, the risk is low, but the more we are out and about the more likely that low risk...

Cars can get the COVID, practice social distance parking. Or, hang a sheet over the grill and wash the tires frequently while singing two choruses of Happy Birthday.

My daughter is an anaesthetist at Denver Med Center and it is slow in OR as well. Since she is well trained at intubation and ventilation...she is getting moved to the COVID ward.

Another reason...

Exactly, people like us are the ones who should be setting the example because of our training, and hence why I am cheerleading for our public health experts (as are you.) Social distancing is not...

What you do in California, or Utah, or Wyomingdoes have an effect on he ICU nurse in NYC. If this were confined to just NYC I would agree with you. Unfortunately this is world wide and what any of us...

I go out for a run and a road ride. I'm not saying you can't, but if hundreds of people are parking in LCC or similar places, that is not social distancing. Yes you can go to the store, but the point...

It is not that difficult. Despite what some conservative governors and saying, we should all "stay at home". All the real health experts are saying it. That means essential travel only. Now they are...

Did the Utah governor start a stay at home order, or are they just being assholes? There are a lot of people in Utah already with COVID.

There are some here who are not living under state mandated stay at home orders, so I can somewhat understand the attitude of some about going out and about your routine recreational activities. Most...

We are now looking at 100,000 dead on the good side of the curve, assuming all states start stay at home. Obviously many here are ignoring that, so there will be well over 100,000 Americans dead....

What I am seeing is learning curve, all be it a slow one. Everybody starts out at "it's no big deal", then goes to "it's a problem somewhere else", to "it's a problem but doesn't affect me" and...

Why is it so hard to understand that the COVID in small towns is just as likely from some yokel shopping at Walmart in the big city for all the things not available in said small town?

Is said...

I just read San Juan county sheriff is writing $500 tickets for parked cars with non San Juan plates. I hope every San Juan resident who goes shopping outside of San Juan county gets a $500 ticket.
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This is a huge issues and not being addressed nearly enough, at least not publicly. People are working on it, just not high on the news sites. This deserves a whole other thread.

The Eastern Sierra Avi Center just sent out a similar letter (email.)

States, counties and cities have legal authority to quarantine people/communities to stop the spread of infectious disease. I suspect limiting access to certain lands fits in that power.
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There we go, hearing from the experts again. Can't we just post falsehoods, rumors and mistruths without all the facts....geeeeze;)

Many hospitals are not busy at all, but that is not the point. The point is As OG and a few others have pointed out is supplies and capacity. A ventilator or anesthetic machine, bed, staff, PPE, etc,...

Just to add a new dimension to the discussion, the health care system is being g massively tasked right now. I just heard from a Portland nurse friend that is his the COVID-19 nurse for the next...

In 61 years of life, much of it spent recreating out doors, hiking, climbing, ski touring, etc. I have never needed SAR or urgent medical attention due to said activity. But, with medical services...