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    Not an argument for or against leashes, but just...

    Not an argument for or against leashes, but just for fun, weigh your lightest leashes as well as your brakes. I think you'll be surprised ;-)

    ... Thom
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    Very true! The "pointy" parts of my dial caliper...

    Very true! The "pointy" parts of my dial caliper measure either inside to inside, or outside to outside :-)

    ... Thom
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    Pro tip to measure hole spacing. Measure to the...

    Pro tip to measure hole spacing. Measure to the outside edges of a hole pair, and then subtract one hole diameter.

    Or ... do as xxx-er says and use the binder as your template.

    I like a...
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    Day-um ... my Vipecs are the Blacks, from several...

    Day-um ... my Vipecs are the Blacks, from several years ago. They're so difficult to get into that I even have problems engaging a boot when the skis are on the bench. I remember everyone saying...
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    Doesn't Italy take the month of August off? They...

    Doesn't Italy take the month of August off? They might think it's August already ;-)

    ... Thom
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    I always like to mention that ;-) Bear in mind...

    I always like to mention that ;-) Bear in mind that the Crest, RT-10, etc. basically have two positions: flat and low. With pins forward, the riser seats onto the pins. If you rotate the heel 180...
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    Two other considerations for which individuals'...

    Two other considerations for which individuals' preferences differ:

    Do you like a (second) high riser, or is race style, single riser fine for you?

    Do you like infinitely adjustable release in...
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    Pretty much where I fall with Zero Gs ... maybe...

    Pretty much where I fall with Zero Gs ... maybe as flat as 5mm (Helio 200/Haute Route with the adjuster plate) and as ramped as 11mm (Vipecs).

    ... Thom
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    Beat me to the punch. Also, the heel pins would...

    Beat me to the punch. Also, the heel pins would have popped out well before the rotation shown in the Trab photo.

    A real world test would be interesting, however.

    ... Thom
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    Praxis Rx

    Praxis Rx
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    That, and bomber construction, although the same...

    That, and bomber construction, although the same can be said for the Solly MTN.

    ... Thom
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    Just drill & screw 'em in. If you have dimples...

    Just drill & screw 'em in.

    If you have dimples in the base, you'll know you should have shortened the screws ;-)

    ... Thom
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    Well, according to my buddy, the SSL 2.0s set a...

    Well, according to my buddy, the SSL 2.0s set a pretty high bar. If you like the SSLs I wouldn't get all FOMO about it, but that's just me (who can be prone to FOMO :eek:).

    ... Thom
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    In theory, it should still work without having...

    In theory, it should still work without having the benefit of the slots. I do the shuffle 8 or 9 times per side. If 3 is enough, 9 is better ... right?

    ... Thom
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    Adding to this, my Plum Guides have 'em. ......

    Adding to this, my Plum Guides have 'em.

    ... Thom
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    My take ... your skepticism is well-founded. ...

    My take ... your skepticism is well-founded. Those comments are no doubt due to confirmation bias, but you probably knew that. I've heard that they ski pretty well, but to expect them to do more...
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    ... and, in the middle of the active ATK thread,...

    ... and, in the middle of the active ATK thread, @Spyderjon has a download link to the 20/21 catalog which will help folks visualize the differences. @Spyderjon rocks (a man after my own heart)!
    ...
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    ATK makes a fused leash. The thing about the ATK...

    ATK makes a fused leash. The thing about the ATK leash is that the fuse is a small loop of 1mm cord that's tack welded into a small loop. If you bust it, then you're into a $30 replacement leash,...
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    Here's a detail photo of the UHV adjuster on the...

    Here's a detail photo of the UHV adjuster on the toe of my RT 10 binder. Turn the screw to adjust which cam lobe the toe lever engages and this in turn increases/decreases clamping force in tour...
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    Good point (as long as an RV of 10 for a Crest/RT...

    Good point (as long as an RV of 10 for a Crest/RT 10 works for folks).

    Springtime pricing was stuck in my head - especially last Spring's COVID deals. I lost track of typical in-season prices....
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    I think it's more about the $700 than choice of...

    I think it's more about the $700 than choice of toe. ATK has always mix and matched.

    Maybe Black Diamond's engineers didn't like the snow clearing toe of the R12 and R14. I'll give them the...
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    My left knee is a big fan of having a lower...

    My left knee is a big fan of having a lower lateral RV than vertical.

    Don't get XXX-er started on this topic ;-)


    ... Thom
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    Pretty nutty indeed. Quite the premium being...

    Pretty nutty indeed. Quite the premium being paid for US warranty support.

    It's like high shipping insurance rates. If you ship a lot, you get to the point where you self insure (skip paying...
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    Yeah, in that link in my post above, I describe...

    Yeah, in that link in my post above, I describe that scenario, and why I transitioned to attaching my leash to my boot, and clipping to the toe piece instead of clipping to my boot.

    ... Thom
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    I'm a fan of longer leashes to prevent bonehead...

    I'm a fan of longer leashes to prevent bonehead moves on my part from resulting in a lost ski when trying to click into a ski in a sketchy position. My strategy is to always be leashed except for...
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    It's an extra hole in your ski, but there's...

    It's an extra hole in your ski, but there's always the option of installing a cable clamp. I'll snap a photo later today.


    Here's a pair of Nanuqs I drilled for two binding locations (Vipecs...
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    So, if your buddy sent it back to Marker, he'd...

    So, if your buddy sent it back to Marker, he'd pay for shipping, wait for months, and have the same repair performed.

    Of course this shouldn't happen, but manufactured parts are built with...
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    Thanks. I plugged in their numbers. When I...

    Thanks. I plugged in their numbers.

    When I initially looked at them a few months ago, I didn't trust their results, because their intermediate numbers for the calculation (the raw height of the...
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    I'll add a ramp angle and riser height column to...

    I'll add a ramp angle and riser height column to the spreadsheet on the ATK thread tonight (https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334162). I'll also add a download link (not just a...
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    Ah! I thought "Rotation" was in the name of all...

    Ah! I thought "Rotation" was in the name of all of the rotating toes.

    Never mind.

    So yeah, assuming it's something like a "Radical ST 2.0", then skimo has the weight of the toe at 223g which...
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    Most weight savings is at the heel. I'm guessing...

    Most weight savings is at the heel. I'm guessing that your Radical toes give up only about 75g, with the bulk of the binding's weight being at the heel.

    Skimo sells individual...
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    No prob ... Yeah, I kept going back to their...

    No prob ...

    Yeah, I kept going back to their site, 'coz I kept forgetting (for example) what an RT 10 vs. RT 2.0 was. It was getting old.


    Tonight, I'll consolidate some of recent comments...
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    Ah! Thanks.

    Ah! Thanks.
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    The binding nuances finally forced me to start a...

    The binding nuances finally forced me to start a spreadsheet. Info puled off the ATK site, but I easily could have missed something (like no magneto heel flap on Crest).

    I'm still trying to...
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    I realized that my CAD software can import those...

    I realized that my CAD software can import those crazy .pdf templates from the ATK site, while maintaining the scale. I'm still working through this, and it seems as if the mounting patterns vary -...
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    Damn! This is OCD even for me ... I stashed...

    Damn! This is OCD even for me ... I stashed away some text from a thread in a defunct forum called Backcountry World (http://www.backcountryworld.com/showthread.php?t=4540).

    None of this is...
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    Could be the start of a new thread ... sourcing...

    Could be the start of a new thread ... sourcing springs. I recall (way back) someone sourcing softer springs for either Comforts or Verticals for a small skier. While these smaller manufacturers...
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    I keep waffling on this one as well (for the same...

    I keep waffling on this one as well (for the same reason), much as I'd like the R12 for the riser options.

    ... Thom
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    Agreed. When anyone asks me about the two...

    Agreed. When anyone asks me about the two "different" riser positions, I reply "medium an medium plus". I've taken to rotating 180 at the start of a tour so I have the flat optio when necessary.
    ...
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    Crest and Haute Route (Helio 200) also have a...

    Crest and Haute Route (Helio 200) also have a single heel flap: (a) over the pins in the "normal/pins forward" position and (b) slightly higher + flat when rotated 180 degrees.

    I love my Helio...
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    Other than the Guide (which rotates easily)? ...

    Other than the Guide (which rotates easily)?

    ... Thom
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    One thing I've wondered about both the Crests and...

    One thing I've wondered about both the Crests and the R12s/ FR14s is whether you can remove the brakes and ski without them - without compromising the design in any way. Can you determine this with...
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    It's British slang, meaning redundancy. Braces...

    It's British slang, meaning redundancy. Braces are suspenders. Belts are, well ... belts.

    ... Thom
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    Crest has the elastic response system - 8mm...

    Crest has the elastic response system - 8mm spring loaded heel combined with 4mm gap.

    I'm not sure about the R12/FR14.

    [edit]The R12/FR14 also have the elastic response system...
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    I've been thinking of carrying a light set of...

    I've been thinking of carrying a light set of leashes (for sketchy transitions) with skis that I normally run with brakes.

    Tired an fumbly at the top, with a transition where brakes don't do much...
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    Shimming is easy. ... Thom

    Shimming is easy.

    ... Thom
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    Just guessing, but with his stated concern about...

    Just guessing, but with his stated concern about tib/fib, maybe it's about not having a fine adjust for lateral release?

    I know they'd be on my sort list if it weren't for that.

    ... Thom
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    Funny, my initial reaction to the monolink toe...

    Funny, my initial reaction to the monolink toe was also positive (fewer parts). Then, I went into my "special place" and FUD crept in. We're good now ;-)

    In case you missed it, the Xenic...
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    This raises my confidence level (given that my...

    This raises my confidence level (given that my concerns were likely unfounded in the first place :rolleyes:).

    ... Thom
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    Yeah, it seems as if it would work like Dynafit...

    Yeah, it seems as if it would work like Dynafit Power Towers. I'm not sure if the toes are mirror imaged however.

    @Summit is the only one I'm aware of on this thread who has ATKs with monolink...
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