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    Now I'm curious: what do you mean by ridiculous?...

    Now I'm curious: what do you mean by ridiculous? Did you shave a track for the edge of the mask?
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    Or just roll on to P100's and we'd only need to...

    Or just roll on to P100's and we'd only need to replace/produce the filters. USG spent enough money buying N95 sterilizers from Battel that they could have built a factory from a green field by now....
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    Yup. And population density. Ironically, it seems...

    Yup. And population density. Ironically, it seems that proximity to China actually turns out to be an advantage.
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    It's worth noting that Japan has been less...

    It's worth noting that Japan has been less draconian than the US in most respects. Helps to be ready up front, obviously, but nearly universal use of masks that are designed to work instead of for...
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    This post is not valid. Economic arguments are...

    This post is not valid. Economic arguments are quantitative, not qualitative, because choosing the best path always requires comparing actual numbers. You haven't offered any. You can stop now.
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    Entire reasoning of that is based on a very...

    Entire reasoning of that is based on a very unlikely combination: if those infected gain immunity it's because antibodies work (let's say we are 98% confident of that). If antibodies work and there...
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    That and fulfilling the social contract is what...

    That and fulfilling the social contract is what incents people to keep working past 40. If life expectancy fell to 55 the cost to keep 52 year olds on the job would skyrocket. Same thing happens if...
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    Two things: if Abbot tested 1200 samples and...

    Two things: if Abbot tested 1200 samples and found 99.5% specificity that's significantly better than 99%. Second, what matters is the actual spread among the tested population, not the spread among...
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    Too many pages to go back now, but one claim was...

    Too many pages to go back now, but one claim was that not more than 600% of New Yorkers were infected. I mean we know that's not true by now, right? Had to be at least 700%.
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    And there it is. Buster, do you have a big red...

    And there it is. Buster, do you have a big red button on your desk?

    Still waiting for that one, first stab at a quantitative economic analysis of killing more for a better economy.
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    That's what this moment needs: a little more...

    That's what this moment needs: a little more absurdity! So bizarre.
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    Yup. Kids who were on the street in Seattle...

    Yup. Kids who were on the street in Seattle report all was peaceful until some of the people near them started breaking things and would not be dissuaded by the still-peaceful majority. Too...
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    Wacky timing. I am having a very similar issue on...

    Wacky timing. I am having a very similar issue on a similar aged Kenmore, but not that model. My wife has decided that it's not worth the time and I think she's right, but the one she ordered is a...
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    Why would the police want to help you tell them...

    Why would the police want to help you tell them apart?
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    Obviously. Jong. :fm:

    Obviously. Jong. :fm:
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    The awesome thing about this thread is its...

    The awesome thing about this thread is its ability to demonstrate viral behavior. Waves of BS come through periodically, spread exponentially, and get put down by the immune system only to rise and...
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    Don't panic. This is the padded room. The walls...

    Don't panic. This is the padded room. The walls are soft here. Remember for a moment that you spent so much time in polyasshattery that you never even knew "the password is yes." It's going to be ok....
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    I didn't say "don't" :fm:

    I didn't say "don't" :fm:
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    Did you really just quote a BS post to shame KQ...

    Did you really just quote a BS post to shame KQ for quoting a BS post?

    No need to reply, I gotta go for a ride, I'm sure you guys will have it all worked out long before I can get back.
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    Why are you so much more personable on weekdays?

    Why are you so much more personable on weekdays?
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    The KGB funded protests 50 years ago because it...

    The KGB funded protests 50 years ago because it gave them good bang for the buck. Putin (and CCP?) could be hiring these types cheap, too.
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    Very valid point about our approach to math and...

    Very valid point about our approach to math and science, and probably technology. Our educational efforts seem to focus recently on broadening the spread of knowledge even if we can't deepen it, and...
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    Sig-worthy level of truthiness right there.

    Sig-worthy level of truthiness right there.
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    Say what you will about the tenets of national...

    Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, at least it's an ethos.

    Economics denier? Market value of a human life lost due to on the job risk is $10M at last assessment, taking...
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    Media still using "asymptomatic" to describe a...

    Media still using "asymptomatic" to describe a mixed population of true asymptomatic cases and pre-symptomatic. Not helpful that the author apparently misses this and warns that asymptomatic cases...
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    What's with all the "freedom" and anti-government...

    What's with all the "freedom" and anti-government people suddenly thinking there's something wrong with average citizens applying social pressure instead of relying on "the authorities?" It's like...
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    They post in as many as possible. Chinese trying...

    They post in as many as possible. Chinese trying to get clicks on their "study?"
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    From that poorly-translated Chinese study: "some...

    From that poorly-translated Chinese study: "some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak"

    Some. Might.

    From non-reading trolls: "it's proven!!!"

    FFS.
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    Damn. Two days in a row and today's isn't even...

    Damn. Two days in a row and today's isn't even contested. Truly, pointing out the logical consistency of someone else's viewpoint (and using a strawman to help!) and then trying to craft an insult to...
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    From the "I could have sworn it was here but now...

    From the "I could have sworn it was here but now I can't find it" file: there was a graphic posted last week showing average progression and magnitudes of various things. IMS it showed onset of...
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    Depends. Are you already infected?

    Depends. Are you already infected?
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    Go easy on the fear-talkers. Fear is a thing for...

    Go easy on the fear-talkers. Fear is a thing for them. Imagine how you'd feel if the only way you could put on a seatbelt or look before crossing railroad tracks was if you first worked up an...
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    Viva, have you seen evidence that would answer...

    Viva, have you seen evidence that would answer OG's question above? Can you post a link? Seems like everyone says this is more likely than not but seeing evidence of it would be really helpful....
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    Co-worker already tested positive. Incoming...

    Co-worker already tested positive. Incoming "Masks are worthless!!" from the false dichotomy crowd in 3...2...
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    Thanks for this. 10/10. Would visit backcountry...

    Thanks for this. 10/10. Would visit backcountry with this user.
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    I was thinking selection bias would matter, too,...

    I was thinking selection bias would matter, too, but that's really only an issue if you were trying to extrapolate to claim you knew what the spread is in the general population (see comments about...
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    Sorry for the continued drift, but it's possible...

    Sorry for the continued drift, but it's possible to make that stuff useful instead of hypothetical. The actual ratio of false positives to real would tell you how useful it would be to get the test...
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    I think you guys are confusing the conditions:...

    I think you guys are confusing the conditions: prior to testing a person the odds of a false positive are much smaller than they are among a population for which positive results are a given. 98% of...
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    At least 19 minutes of flow right there. May...

    At least 19 minutes of flow right there. May watch again.
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    Lots of former libertarians becoming...

    Lots of former libertarians becoming fascio-anarchists lately. A friend recently shared his personal view that since no one takes any responsibility for anything anyway it just doesn't matter...
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    People are still acting like travel from China...

    People are still acting like travel from China was banned in January but it wasn't. 450k people came from China in the 2 months following an apparently racially-biased ban on Chinese citizens (and...
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    New York got more thoroughly infected than many...

    New York got more thoroughly infected than many places. Did they make it to 600% infected? I didn't follow all your math, so I'm hoping you can fill in a couple of the holes for me.
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    I thought so but I had to check the search: page...

    I thought so but I had to check the search: page 485. Crazy.
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    In jgb math the only reason so many New Yorkers...

    In jgb math the only reason so many New Yorkers died was because 600% of them got the virus. He'll be checking in with RJ here shortly.
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    Good to know I'm not going crazy. I saw the same...

    Good to know I'm not going crazy. I saw the same in looking for stomach cancer articles, but I figured that might have been owed to a difference in prevalence. Feels like any day now someone will...
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    I agree with this statement. In particular I'm...

    I agree with this statement. In particular I'm not super pleased with two kinds of studies which seem to be typically soft in one way or another: studies of masks and Chinese "reports." Mask studies...
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    I was not intending to say that at all, sorry for...

    I was not intending to say that at all, sorry for the confused wording. I was simply saying that if people have a certain number of interactions and they take precautionary measures which are...
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    Their conclusion is not applicable to wearing a...

    Their conclusion is not applicable to wearing a mask in public. They looked at coughing at a distance of 20 cm, which is quite close. The difference between a bad mask and a good one is that a good...
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    Thank you! That was going to bug me all week....

    Thank you! That was going to bug me all week. Haven't seen the "drop in" sign for years now, but Lind seems most likely.
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    Wrong thread. You want "get drunk and post as...

    Wrong thread. You want "get drunk and post as much as you can." Or you could cite sources, of course, that would be fun.
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