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    Nortonwhls - towing from the bumper is how most...

    Nortonwhls - towing from the bumper is how most tow. I *hate* towing, personally, but I know a fair number of people who do. I agree with bcmh, short distance, towing is ok (ick), but...eh. I...
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    I've got one on my XM, might help keep the a-arms...

    I've got one on my XM, might help keep the a-arms out of the snow when it is really deep, might offer some protection, but I've not really bashed it into anything, and I'd think if something bashed...
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    They're certainly not a BAD idea, but I've got...

    They're certainly not a BAD idea, but I've got 2600 miles on my 13 Slummit, most of which have had skis on a rack that mounts a lot like a CFR, my tunnel is fine. Sled has been inverted many times...
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    I approve this message. I appreciate it, too. ...

    I approve this message. I appreciate it, too. Looks splendid.


    Iain
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    Wholeheartedly agree that last year was bad wrt...

    Wholeheartedly agree that last year was bad wrt people riding off established routes, but their crappy attitude is NOT going to make things any better - I don't expect special treatment from them (or...
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    Agreed. I've had nothing but positive...

    Agreed. I've had nothing but positive experiences with them. Vail, too. We once had a stuck sled just off the road @ Jones, the Powder Addiction guys were out for training (early season). We...
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    That's about all that makes sense. Nice guys,...

    That's about all that makes sense. Nice guys, but I don't know that I'd be stoked paying for what I know to ski @ Jones.
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    Hmmm, yeah. Depends on the land/permit, I guess....

    Hmmm, yeah. Depends on the land/permit, I guess. The op out of Ski Cooper runs on public land, but runs their op right out of the ski area - their roads are fair game IF you can get to them, and...
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    Hey all - I read that San Juan Snowcats is now...

    Hey all - I read that San Juan Snowcats is now running out of Durango Mountain Resort dba "San Juan Untracked."

    Are they using catroads put in by the sled clubs? Their own? From reading what I...
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    Drop brackets, as mentioned, will get the REAR of...

    Drop brackets, as mentioned, will get the REAR of the skid farther out of the tunnel - problem there is if you go too far with that, the approach angle gets ayfongu. Then, if you lower the front...
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    What are access rules like in Japan? Limited and...

    What are access rules like in Japan? Limited and structured, or....?
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    That's what I thought, too, but I've seen...

    That's what I thought, too, but I've seen evidence that they CAN get places. Thought it was two snowbike tracks, looked more closely, nope, was not. Rear diff was dragging. Dunno.

    I'm not...
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    I wonder the same thing. I've seen tracked-atv...

    I wonder the same thing. I've seen tracked-atv tracks in some places that surprised me, but I've yet to have the opportunity to see one & goad the owner into driving it up over yonder, just to see. ...
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    sizequeen.

    sizequeen.
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    Yah, brake cleaner is good, as is WD40, goo gone,...

    Yah, brake cleaner is good, as is WD40, goo gone, ehhh, lots of stuff. I have a lot of experience removing stickers from cars, I've yet to settle on ONE THING THAT WORKS, but brake cleaner is high...
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    ETECs are less prone to dropping skirts than the...

    ETECs are less prone to dropping skirts than the non-etec 800s, I'd not worry about the top end for a bit.

    The oil savings will be inconsequential, big picture. ETECs DO use less oil than...
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    The 11 ETEC Skidoo would be my choice from the...

    The 11 ETEC Skidoo would be my choice from the options listed - the ETEC is simply an awesome motor, IMHO.

    I CERTAINLY like XMs better than XPs, but I don't personally find the XP unusable - I...
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    eek. I _NORMALLY_ use a real snow tire. I can't...

    eek. I _NORMALLY_ use a real snow tire. I can't remember the last time I did not have a real snow on the truck/van/ski car. This year, I was running Michelin LTX MS2s for summer activities (towing...
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    fkna! rad. Talked to a guy yesterday on one, he...

    fkna! rad. Talked to a guy yesterday on one, he loves it.
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    saved me the time. I really like CFR racks.

    saved me the time. I really like CFR racks.
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    Exactly, better than walking. Here in CO, at the...

    Exactly, better than walking. Here in CO, at the places where there are groomed roads, pretty much _anything_ is a viable ski lift, provided it has not snowed/the groomer ran on top of the new snow....
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    that guy is hugely talented, I've seen some...

    that guy is hugely talented, I've seen some hillclimb footage, yikes.
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    I've not ridden a 174" t3. I've not ridden any...

    I've not ridden a 174" t3. I've not ridden any t3 (save on groomed stuff where paddle height did not matter). Everyone says the same things, though - the 3" paddles let you crawl around where other...
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    Yah, agreed - I don't have any problems with my...

    Yah, agreed - I don't have any problems with my XM washing out on sidehills. If I want it to turn uphill, I add a bunch of throttle, and that's ok with me. I think it really does boil down to what...
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    nope, I just want to ski! I like snowmobiles,...

    nope, I just want to ski! I like snowmobiles, but they're really tools for me. Our INTENTION was to ski. I really thought we'd have been able to drive back out of that bowl after 3 sleds came...
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    har! I did not take pics or video, but the...

    har! I did not take pics or video, but the Skandic is the ONLY tool for that sort of thing - the XM was getting stuck everywhere (163"). The Skandic is great for making roads through willowy...
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    Not in BC, but I rode sleds today with the...

    Not in BC, but I rode sleds today with the intention of skiing. Colorado got hammered the past two weeks; probably 60-70" of snow (like two meters, eh) on top of nothing.

    Went to one of our...
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    thanks! There have been issues down here, I'm...

    thanks! There have been issues down here, I'm sure, but for the most part, law enforcement - normal or forest - leave me alone. Certainly never been talked to at a gas station.

    Interesting. ...
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    geez, Canada gets up in arms about some stuff,...

    geez, Canada gets up in arms about some stuff, huh? Weird. I've heard stories of people getting harassed about sleds on decks not being tied down right or not enough lights, cops in Pemberton or...
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    Lovely. How'd the last storm settle? Hoping it...

    Lovely. How'd the last storm settle? Hoping it is skiable soon.....
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    +another. Shadam's 9k mile monster was a 1000 -...

    +another. Shadam's 9k mile monster was a 1000 - totally different than the 800. With that many kms, a top end is not a bad idea, at all, although the 08R motor is better than the earlier offerings....
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    http://diamond-smfg.com/product/ski-doo-xm-lightwe...

    http://diamond-smfg.com/product/ski-doo-xm-lightweight-silencer/ seems like a decent muffler, videos suggest it is not louder than stock, which is good, and quite a bit lighter than even the...
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    Got out yesterday, CO Front Range. Maybe 20-30"...

    Got out yesterday, CO Front Range. Maybe 20-30" new in the past week, on top of dirt, stumps, rocks & nothing. There was a little windfill up high prior to the cycle, but pretty much starting from...
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    FWIW, I put the HD bumper on my 13 163" XM,...

    FWIW, I put the HD bumper on my 13 163" XM, mounted my rack as far back as it'd go - no problems, ~600 miles on sled, most with skis on it.

    The HD bumper is ENORMOUSLY more substantial than the...
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    yah what he said. Unless the sled is damned near...

    yah what he said. Unless the sled is damned near free, a "blown engine" is normally enough $$$$ that it costs more in the long run. Snowmobiles are not cheap to fix.

    What's your budget, sp543?
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    AFAIK, 7 tooth drivers are required, but beyond...

    AFAIK, 7 tooth drivers are required, but beyond that, it is pretty straightforward.

    Option 2, more $$$, chaincase off a t3.

    Several have done the 3" thing, though - I believe it works well.
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    yeah, can only imagine a true 300hp, or 250. ...

    yeah, can only imagine a true 300hp, or 250. Etec 800 = 155? at sealevel? I shudder to think what it is at 12k feet/3700m. ick.

    Makes sense. Gearing down seems to work....kinda. Mass is...
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    Shadam - what'd your friend not like about it?...

    Shadam - what'd your friend not like about it? I've not ridden one, but I cannot imagine not liking it. I kinda see the skier vs sledneck thing, though. Seems like it'd be a freaking fantastic...
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    THAT'S RACIST!!!!!!! I like the green. had a...

    THAT'S RACIST!!!!!!!

    I like the green. had a racecar painted that color, it was rad. And fast.
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    DOES IT COME WITH A SWEET WRAP?!?!?! ahhhh no...

    DOES IT COME WITH A SWEET WRAP?!?!?!

    ahhhh no patience mamasan can't do it nope nope nope.

    I do believe I'm going to update my DESS with the new fancypants non-sucky RFID key, though.
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    I found it very difficult not to order one, but...

    I found it very difficult not to order one, but the financial bath I'd take having just bought a leftover 13 last fall....ugh. Sleds are financial tomfoolery to begin with, but geez, it'd have been...
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    I'd buy Skidoo, too, but it is just what I know. ...

    I'd buy Skidoo, too, but it is just what I know. That said, "clear leader" would be a 15 t3 with the 174" track. No other sled has as much track right now, and while I do think the Internet...
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    The new Pros (11+?) have developed a rap for...

    The new Pros (11+?) have developed a rap for exploding. Not sure what the answer is; I know most people turn up the oil pumps on day1.

    Funny, was digging through this thread looking for...
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    +another on no-left-throttle. I'm not dead set...

    +another on no-left-throttle. I'm not dead set against them, there have been times I _wished_ I had one on both the RT and Skandic, but....no. One of my sleds came with one, I took it off.

    I...
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    I can't wait. It is going to be fun; I've always...

    I can't wait. It is going to be fun; I've always thought the Alpines were neat, but never really sought one out. Oddly enough, a friend of mine has one, does not use it much, two plus two equals...
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    haha rad...frighteningly enough, you're not far...

    haha rad...frighteningly enough, you're not far off.

    I'll be in possession of an 88 AlpineII in the not so distant future.
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    None of them are perfect. I like Skidoo as well,...

    None of them are perfect. I like Skidoo as well, though - initially, because a friend is a mechanic, but at this point, knowing more about sleds, having ridden some others, ehhh, I REALLY like...
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    Thanks, Shadam - helps tons. Makes sense. ...

    Thanks, Shadam - helps tons. Makes sense. Funny, too.

    On-foot recon got postponed til tomorrow, but yeah, should go see it. Stihl makes a small chainsaw, don't they? a 22 or something? ...
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    How are those different than snowboard binding...

    How are those different than snowboard binding straps?

    I just get a bunch of old snowboard bindings, take the ladders/buckles off, go from there - ?
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    Figure this'd be the best place to ask this -...

    Figure this'd be the best place to ask this - Shadam? other Ratbaggers? Looking to build some roads this winter.

    Long story short, I'm looking at opening a zone that looks to be splendid ONCE...
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