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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    Likewise Iím 5í10Ē 170lbs on the 184 BG and you can drive the front pretty damn hard in 3D snow. The tips donít hook on anything...RES! I canít say Iíve ever wished I had a longer BG. In comparison...
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    Damn those are sexy.

    Damn those are sexy.
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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    Iíd say trust the mount or get a Wren. Why would you buy a Woodsman if you wanted a traditional mount?
  4. Looking like I might be up there tomorrow. Skiing...

    Looking like I might be up there tomorrow. Skiing with a non-TGR buddy in the morning but I'll try and catch up with the crew at some point. Haven't ever met any of you so I'll just look for the...
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    Yeah after thinking about it more last night I...

    Yeah after thinking about it more last night I think sizing up is the right move. I'm more likely to bothered by a ski that's too short than one that's too long. I did send the folks at ON3P and...
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    Yeah I've read their review. In a review for some...

    Yeah I've read their review. In a review for some other ski though I remember one of the guys making a comment to how much bigger the 187 Wood felt in a certain situation...they were on like a 184...
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    I feel the 184 BG is perfect. It's never felt to...

    I feel the 184 BG is perfect. It's never felt to short or too long. With the caveat that it's my new snow day ski and has mainly been in good powder conditions. The Woods 187 would still have less...
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    Well while we're back on Woodsman 108...

    Well while we're back on Woodsman 108 sizing....I'm still not sure what I would grab. 5'10" 170 fairly aggressive skier but I do like to get sideways a bit and not always 100% fall line (thus...
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    Based on your racing background and size, 189...

    Based on your racing background and size, 189 seems like the obvious answer. However, here's some numbers based on Blisters measurements of the 186 Peacemaker and 184 Wrenegade 96. Mounts are from...
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    The most common one I can remember seeing the...

    The most common one I can remember seeing the past few years was the Kartel (Jeffery) at -2 but that was before the Woodsman and probably part of what led to the idea of the Woodsman. People were...
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    Honestly based on the other skis you normally...

    Honestly based on the other skis you normally use, it's not surprising that a smaller ski was less stable than you expected. It seems like you are solidly in the pick-the-bigger-ski camp and not...
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    Been pretty limited commander talk on here in...

    Been pretty limited commander talk on here in general. How are people liking them?
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    I'd say if you want to go back on the Woodsman...

    I'd say if you want to go back on the Woodsman you should have bought the Wren. The whole point of the Woodsman was to offer a more playful directional ski through mount point and increased tail...
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    Surprised itís not clear that when you get...

    Surprised itís not clear that when you get warranty replacement the original pair was defective. Thatís the manufacturerís fault not the customer. He should eat full retail price on a defective ski...
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    Yeah getting a defective product replaced under...

    Yeah getting a defective product replaced under warranty isnít really a hookup.
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    You use BSL to mount with paper templates. So if...

    You use BSL to mount with paper templates. So if you know your BSL youíre set. If not you should be able to find out through the boot manufacturer based on the model and size.
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    Buy some Billy Goats

    Buy some Billy Goats
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    Just based on your description and the design...

    Just based on your description and the design intent of each ski, sounds like the Woodsman 108 is the middle size you want. I would go BG (PNW) for the 115+ option. Since youíre in Utah the C+D might...
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    I really need to get on some Protests sometime.

    I really need to get on some Protests sometime.
  20. My god those are sexy.

    My god those are sexy.
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    Think theyíd adjust to 315 BSL?

    Think theyíd adjust to 315 BSL?
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    Would have loved to try them at WP Tuesday! That...

    Would have loved to try them at WP Tuesday! That said, the goats didn't leave me wishing for something different.
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    Maybe he's totally right, but I mean there are...

    Maybe he's totally right, but I mean there are days the shit gets bad enough that nothing is really "working" but some may be surviving better. On that day it probably would have been worse on...
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    Yesterday at the southern hill did not...

    Yesterday at the southern hill did not disappoint. Lower mountain great until about 10, upper mountain basically perfect the rest of the day. Ended the day with multiple laps of untracked. The run...
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    What size are your MWs? I don't think you can...

    What size are your MWs? I don't think you can fully appreciate what the BG has to offer with a run or two. They are intuitive but did take some time to fully click for me. But god they're good when...
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    I'd give it more time before changing. It can...

    I'd give it more time before changing. It can take some time to adjust. I still ended up with more of this feeling than I wanted on my 184 Bibbys (only in deep and heavy conditions and I always...
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    That's just not accurate. Maybe if it were a 1995...

    That's just not accurate. Maybe if it were a 1995 Outback.

    As for the new XT, yeah that's tempting. I would have absolutely bought an XT had it been available in 2015. Had planned on the FXT but...
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    1) Good stuff, I'm about your weight. 2) I'm...

    1) Good stuff, I'm about your weight.
    2) I'm probably making it sound like it's worse than it is. I refer to the fact that as a fairly stiff ski, at lower speeds (low angle deeper pow) it can tend...
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    Yeah I was referring to the size change while...

    Yeah I was referring to the size change while swapping. But you all are leaning me towards 187.
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    I'm debating an escape to the mountains tonight...

    I'm debating an escape to the mountains tonight in hopes of that 10" overnight...have to commit in the next few hours though. Hmm
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    Makes sense and I'm in that same place. Nearly...

    Makes sense and I'm in that same place. Nearly pulled the trigger on K108s a few times. Kind of glad I never did. As for size, what made you go with 181 Kartel originally then 187 Woodsman?
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    Good feedback, thanks. I'm in the Seattle area as...

    Good feedback, thanks. I'm in the Seattle area as well. Ski WP mostly these days (buddy with a cabin in Packwood) but try to get to Crystal and occasionally Alpy as well. What does it do better or...
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    See my edit above your post re: Subaru. I think...

    See my edit above your post re: Subaru. I think we're closer to 17-26% loss in 5 years and 85k miles at 1.9% apr. I am in the PNW where Subaru and Toyota resale values are off the charts high. We've...
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    Someone else mentioned it, but leaving criteria...

    Someone else mentioned it, but leaving criteria at wagon vs crossover/SUV leaves off a lot of good vehicles. They also mentioned Mazda and a CX5 or CX9 should be on your list. They concentrate on...
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    Interesting. I'm not looking for a mach machine...

    Interesting. I'm not looking for a mach machine necessarily. I'm king of thinking of it as how much playfulness I'll give up going to the 187 rather than how much stability I'll gain. If that makes...
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    I know most of you are using these primarily as a...

    I know most of you are using these primarily as a touring ski, but what about for a lower angle inbounds pow ski? I mainly ski Billy Goats, but I often find myself with a more mellow mountain and...
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    Iím about your size and ski the 184 BG. I did...

    Iím about your size and ski the 184 BG. I did consider the 189 but the ON3P folks steered me to the 184 and Iím glad they did. Itís never felt too short and handles anything I can throw at it.

    I...
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    Iím 5í10Ē 170 and really on the fence for...

    Iím 5í10Ē 170 and really on the fence for Woodsman sizing. In the Jeff I would for sure go 186 with it being a bit more fwd mount and more tail rocker. Iíd also go 184 Wren and currently ski a 184...
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    I do have some old 184 Bibby Pros so Iím familiar...

    I do have some old 184 Bibby Pros so Iím familiar with the mount and shape at least. Iím always hesitant to interpolate too much data from different yet similar skis. Might be worth getting a couple...
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    Iím 5í10Ē but about your weight and agree I think...

    Iím 5í10Ē but about your weight and agree I think Iíd go 184 for the WC. The 182 Woodsman should be about the same length. But the 187 is only 3cm longer than my Billy Goats with a more centered...
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    Thanks for the WC108 feedback. What size are you...

    Thanks for the WC108 feedback. What size are you on? I'm right there on the fence with you. I thought I was leaning WC108 but lately I've been thinking I should lean more towards the stable side than...
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    My 184 BGs mount was like -9 and smidge when I...

    My 184 BGs mount was like -9 and smidge when I measured. I wish they would list it too. Makes it easier to get an idea of the type of ski you're looking at. I also like to compare lengths and mount...
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    2-3 Ski Quiver for the PNW

    Thanks thatís actually helpful. Have you skied both? Iíd love to hear your thoughts.

    Thatís exactly why Iíd like to get on both. I donít really know how far down the playful spectrum would work...
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    2-3 Ski Quiver for the PNW

    The Woodsman should be a more progressive mounted and playful Wren basically. More tail rocker but still directional. My impression is Wildcat 108 would be just a step further towards playful, less...
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    Woodsman? I'm looking at WC108 and Woods108 as my...

    Woodsman? I'm looking at WC108 and Woods108 as my QLab replacement. Any input on QLab vs Bone? When do you grab one vs the other?
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    Get the Billy Goat!

    Get the Billy Goat!
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    The Moment Bibby Pro (184/190) and then Blister...

    The Moment Bibby Pro (184/190) and then Blister Pro are all basically the same. Then the Wildcat is the same shape but lightened up at some point. You are correct on the more tapered powder oriented...
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    Good stuff on the Woodsman. They sound super...

    Good stuff on the Woodsman. They sound super solid. I'm still going to try getting on both, but I'm strongly leaning Woodsman 108 over Wildcat 108 at this point. Just seems to match how I actually...
  49. 184 Wildcat (Bibby) seems the obvious choice if...

    184 Wildcat (Bibby) seems the obvious choice if you love the Bibby shape and just want something easier. They are not demanding at all. Just depends on how much easier going youíre after.


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    Yeah well I moved on from them to BGs as my...

    Yeah well I moved on from them to BGs as my new-snow ski and couldnít be happier. But always thought they were a better all mountain ski than powder ski. Just havenít fell for a daily. OG Cochise...
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