Just read the whole story and am literally bawling. The forgiveness and compassion that you and your daughter have shown, and Scott's selflessness and courage are breathtakingly inspiring.

This one.

http://lange2009.freeskier.com/profiles/profile.php?user_id=23266&screen=posts

Agreeance on Limp Bizkit, Creed, and Nickelback. Surprised no one has mentioned:



Bush.

Any ski area near Seattle is going to be crowded on weekends.

IMO (and speaking inbounds), Crystal is big enough to spread the crowds out, Stevens is not. I think the best deal this season was...

Now hold on just a minute here! If that's your wife, you just went to the top of the list of the cool kids.

I'm under no illusion that the next president will be able to fix much, but I only ask 3 things:

1. Don't start any more wars;
2. Don't use the fear generated by said wars to try to shred the...

And that's the only reason you wouldn't assist in torture.

Gotcha. We're done here.

See if you can follow the twists and turns:



What's hilarious is that you think you're winning some sort of rhetorical point with this pile of mush:

What?!!? glenplake is a DOCTOR? That's classic.

I don't think he even cares about this that much. He thought he'd come in here and wave his dick, using some rhetorical flimflam to prove that he...

Like I said, you're advocating tolerance for torture. (It's a lot simpler sentence if you omit the double-negative.) A premise for which you have presented exactly no case. No evidence, no...

God damn you really are fucking dense. The position is that torture should not be allowed under any circumstance, and you know it.

You're advocating tolerance of torture.

I promise you that no one has more respect for the scientific method than I do. I am an engineer and technican by trade.

You have been logically slippery and disingenuous, and you're bringing...

The part that you willfully keep ignoring is that torture is not just unpopular, it is explicitly illegal. There may be slightly less certainty regarding its efficacy, but the overwhelming...

Do you think anyone's guessing that you are?

If I had a nickel for every question in this thread that you've evaded, well, I'd have a couple bucks by now.

Yet, on torture, you hold us to a higher standard and split hairs. Based on your earlier arguments, you are in no position to tell anyone that the moon is likely not made of cheese. If you offered...

Really? If they had won that war we would all think what they had done was okay?



??? What the hell are you talking about? Apparently it's superior to yours, at least. Mine tells me that...

All of them?

preponderance

noun
1. superiority in power or influence; "the preponderance of good over evil"; "the preponderance of wealth and power"
2. a superiority in numbers or amount;...

You have twisted yourself into such a pretzel that it's going to take a long time to straighten you out. I'm not really up for it. But quickly:

Evidence that the Nazis did bad things is not...

I wasn't there for the (Holocaust, Cultural Revolution, Killing Fields, etc. pick whichever you like)- any information I have about it is second hand. I've read books with witness accounts and...

Not well thought out, according to you:

The Constitution of the United States
Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions
The Army Field Manual



I can't believe you are really this dense- ...

You're just repeating yourself. No one is qualified to take a stand on torture but the so-called 'experts.' Well, here in the thread there are links to statements and articles by several...

Do you read all the posts in a thread, or only the ones replying to you?

Hey, watch your tone. Don't you think that's a little condescending, self-righteous, and emotional?

We're trying to have a reasonable discussion on the the merits of US torture here.

Good lord.

Some civilians have been tortured. Private contractors have done some of the torturing.

So now your position is that no one should have any position or opinion on anything. You...

Do you have the ability to place yourself in another person's shoes? It's called empathy.


Boy, nobody's ever going to knock you off that fence, are they? The case against torture has been make...

It's ignorant to take a hard-line stance against torture? Man, these are strange times we're living in. :)

You've never actually told us what you're OK with and what you're not. Although you...

Everybody knows the Supreme Court is packed with liberals.

What's conservative about torture?

Well, if enough people "whine" about something, our elected representatives might notice and something like this might happen:
...

Well, if you agree that the United States of America should not be in the torture business, then why? That's all I'm sayin'.

You know, you have a point there, I apologize for that. Seriously.

So what do you have to say to this guy:

Of course. I just thought the well-educated Maggots understood what America is all about. Guess I was wrong.

I can't believe we're even arguing about this.

I have a sincere question for you:

What kind of country would you like to live in?

How fucking dense are you? Summit asked me what I believe. That's what I believe. Who gives a crap what you believe?

Sorry, that's harsh. I do give a crap what you believe. That's why we're...

Sure you can. Congress can pass a bill binding the intelligence agencies to the same regulations found in the Army Field Manual. Too bad W is going to veto it. We can pass it again after the...

Did you not see this?


I don't believe that torture has ever been part of U.S policy to the extent that it is now. It is unconstitutional, extralegal, and contrary to our values.

"They're...

Well, since I never said that, and neither has anyone else, ever: that straw man called. He's tired of being trotted out. Please re-read.

There you go.

Torture whom, exactly?

Your post is almost 100% fact-free. It's full of straw-man arguments and ad hominem attacks, but makes no points and does nothing to further any discussion.

The main thrust of your argument seems...

You're the one calling people jongs, but I admit that I didn't set out to start a reasonable discussion. I don't think you can reasonably defend what's happening to this guy and many others like...

Join date, bitch. Powdermag before that.

Emotional nonsense. Tell that to the guy who got his legs broken, has been in prison for 6 years, and wasn't doing anything wrong.

A Question of Human Dignity


By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Thursday, February 14, 2008; 1:36 PM

Who are we as a nation? Are we who we used to be? Did one terrorist attack...

Yeah, damn that reality and its liberal bias.

Really. You really have no problem with some innocent people being imprisoned and abused for years by the US government. Cool.

Run back to Mommy! You're getting a little too far from Mommy's...

Bullshit. Those are movies.

Haven't been watching lately. Why?

Unbelievable. Once again I am literally sick to my stomach and near tears at what the Bush Administration has done to our country. When we do this, we forfeit the right to say that we are better...

I thought that WAS GoNads.