I've generally been very pleased with these folks (they've been mentioned a few times throughout the life of this thread). Never had to bet my life on their product though (knock on wood).

I'm not getting wrapped up in this "discussion" because it really does seem like you're more interested in trolling than firearm discussion or geeking out over guns; but my two cents is it seems to...

Right on, man.

I agree with nearly everything you said, Rev. Floater. I don't want to be misunderstood: as I've said from the beginning of all this, a hunter must be proficient with his firearm. He has a moral...

I'll tell you what, you say you're not an expert shooter and not much of a hunter, but you're certainly an expert builder of straw men. And you can hunt the shit outta them too.

You're wrong.
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And it continues.

I agree with this too. I don't think it's ethical to rely on a follow up shot, although you should always be prepared to take one.

Use a big bullet to make a big hole in the...

And as for

...ah fuck. Those were literally the literal words I wrote. I was intending to say that head and neck shots weren't ok even for professional shooters, let alone us. But in my rushed...

Don't take this mocking tactic. I didn't bring up warfare, you did when you were fellating your sniper-teacher buddy:

Warfare has obviously has vastly different necessities, goals, and ethics...

I believe you.

But I've never seen name-brand field rifles with heavy expanding bullets get that tight. Even indoors with a good lead sled.

That said, even if we're talking high-end hunting...

An ethical hunter is committed to achieving a clean kill without undue suffering to the animal.

As zion zig zag said, sub-MOA with cartridges suitable for taking big game is exceedingly rare,...

You clearly don't.

Go ahead and take that shot from an undetermined distance at a tiny, highly mobile, unpredictable target with a wide range of multi-planar movement. If you're lucky, you'll...

My point being, if you need expert level shooting ability to make a shot, that's a shot you shouldn't ethically be taking. With the exception of certain game (mountain goats, antelope), you...

Jesus Christ... every 10 pages or so we have the same fucking argument. Generally, I'm wit highangle on this one.

Long distances and head/neck shots are for professional shooters, not any of us. ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi_NMzGBVwg

Holy shit! indeed. That's a hell of a rare piece

I highly recommend this one. Made in USA, far superior engineering to original historic Henrys.

And that's a real shame, seeing as how it rhymes and alliterates so well with "ammunition".

Hahahaha ok, I was wrong. Maybe you do have a decent sense of humor.

Look man, I'll never chastise...

Fantastic discussion. I've learned a lot so far, most importantly:
1) Bobby Stainless is remarkably wealthy and doesn't mind us knowing (not an admonition; if you got it, flaunt it)
2) highangle...

You fuckin' asshole! Everything's a fuckin' travesty with you, man! And what was all that shit about Vietnam? What the fuck has anything got to do with Vietnam?

When you're done with a semi-auto, you sell it. When you're done with a revolver, you find another use for it.

Ruger makes a solid, dependable product that they stand behind; and I think their...

Thanks. That was worth the read. Sounds not unlike elk hunting; but more. More of everything.

I haven't either... but every goat and sheep I've ever seen has been in a place I wouldn't want to be.

I thought we'd moved off this topic on to FN > Glock, or something.

Since we're back here though, the question is never what you can take game with, it's what you should take game with. Using an...

For whatever my opinion is worth, I agree with this totally. I wouldn't step into the woods with an elk tag with anything smaller than a 308. Mostly, because nearly every elk I've seen shot, or...

I go with this in one ear, this in the other. Couldn't be happier with the set up, except in heavy rain or snow (it's a little annoying with a Gore-Tex hood).

I've never come across "fixin" used in this sense before.

"Fixin to" is something I'm deeply familiar with, "fixing for" is a new one on me.

But that's not really important, let's get back to...

That's a .44-40, but now I'm splitting hairs. Regardless, nearly any lever action made in .44-40 is also made in .44 mag, which is a far superior cartridge. So yeah.... .44 mag levers rule.

That's a great gun. You're a far better shot than me though. I might could use a 28ga on quail, but I need all 12 gauges of shot and powder to hit those jet-propelled mournings.

Awesome. Thanks for all the great ideas. Yall rule.

I'm doing some Christmas shoppin' and looking for ideas. Shopping for someone who has logged a fucking shitton of range time, but is just starting to get into IDPA.

I was thinking about getting...

You take that photo? Good enough to be a Goddamn Field and Stream cover.

Priceless. The guns are nice too.

I love those Savage 24s. My Granddad carried one in .222/20ga. as his primary deer rifle my entire life. I can't look at it without thinking of him.

This is my Goddamned worst nightmare.

This is not the place for this debate. Since you quoted me and seem somewhat interested in actually hearing opposing points of view, I'll go ahead and respond; but it will be my last reply in...

The argument for carrying a weapon in public isn't, and was never, as a solution to the inconceivably rare event of a mass shooting, but as protection from the threat of rape or murder... you know,...

HA! JR would've shot himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbH60wCO-Yw

I've loved every Leupold I've ever used. I like my Vortex a bunch too. At the time, it was as good as a Leupold but at about half the price. I think they've started to climb up in the market...

Couldn't agree more. The world is full of ding-free, unscratched, mint-condition, expensive, high performance vehicles sitting quietly and sedately protected from danger and excitement. What a...

Impeccable taste. I'll be expecting to see some field photos, along with the bounty it will surely find for the skillet.

Amen. When someone asks me what gun to get for home defense, I give the answer I gave upthread -- but I also include the admonishment that if they're unwilling or unable to dedicate the 2 hours a...

Settle down.
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My still-worthless opinion is that a shotgun is not a deathray, even with a short barrel. At self-defense distances you still have to aim the thing (see a couple pages back for a good graphic...

By "sawed off" do you mean the traditional term of a short barrel or do you mean a pistol grip (with the stock cut off). The former is perfectly acceptable, the latter is pretty useless.

Besides...

18 sins is enough.

Basically what KyleLanTheman said. Even with a light load and a wide open cylinder, the shot pattern won't get wider than a basketball at most defense-relevant ranges. And as far as hitting the...

The pattern won't ever come close to hitting the pokey bit.

I've shot a Citori built in 1984. I like it well enough. It's really solid and dependable, which is nice, and is an attractive firearm. In 12ga it's a little heavy for my taste, but it certainly...

Of those problems, I've suffered the one where the shells would fall past the ejectors. But, I attributed this to one time where I maybe got a little overzealous in my field stripping and cleaning. ...

To each his own, I suppose.