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    No, but considering your lack of mounting basics,...

    No, but considering your lack of mounting basics, keep your instructions simple. Take your skis into the shop and say this EXACTLY:

    "I want these mounted at 92cm from the tail. "
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    I agree. I have a huge quiver and I'll be...

    I agree. I have a huge quiver and I'll be keeping my Renegades. I just won't be focusing as much time on them.
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    I'm kinda bummed out. After 3 seasons, 2 models...

    I'm kinda bummed out. After 3 seasons, 2 models (OG's and 2013) and a love hate/relationship (mostly love) with the Rens, I am sad to say I've chosen to move on. There's no doubt that on a perfect...
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    You read my mind. I have been thinking about the...

    You read my mind. I have been thinking about the whole flipcore idea since before it existed. Doesn't it just make more sense for reverse cambered skis? Maybe the ski is stronger when the full...
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    I have 10/11's and 12/13's with no issues. I ski...

    I have 10/11's and 12/13's with no issues. I ski them everyday regardless of conditions. Those poor 122mm underfoot fully rockered skis get the shit beat out of them with 9 out of 10 days being icy,...
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    Really? I mean really?

    Really? I mean really?
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    Well my thinking was that the Ren is full reverse...

    Well my thinking was that the Ren is full reverse camber so that any clamping done closer to the ends of the ski are going to create opposite tension on the core of the ski. Pair that with the fully...
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    I'd guess they were left wet on a roof top ski...

    I'd guess they were left wet on a roof top ski rack for a period of time.
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    If you are coming off the RC112 and Explosive and...

    If you are coming off the RC112 and Explosive and are a "rear mount guy", the mounting point on Renegade is going to feel super weird. I'd start with 86 which is still within the recommended range...
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    Hoji now skis them at 87.

    Hoji now skis them at 87.
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    They were fantasic in Haines. I still maintain...

    They were fantasic in Haines. I still maintain that for deep days on less steep lines there are better tools. Floatation seems to be more of a factor on more moderate slope angles. That being said,...
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    Love the Renegade but man am I glad that I didn't...

    Love the Renegade but man am I glad that I didn't wait for the new graphic. Just my opinion. As for the sidewall edging, looks awesome. Maybe I'll take a sander to mine to see if I can replicate it...
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    In my experience with my quiver it's all what you...

    In my experience with my quiver it's all what you get used to. In the last 3 seasons, I have skied the Renegades 99% of the time regardless of conditions. I don't even really think about what they...
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    I only have one non-powder day on the ren3's. Not...

    I only have one non-powder day on the ren3's. Not sure if they float better but if I had been blind folded I wouldn't be able to tell the difference in how they ski on chopped firm snow. Both pairs...
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    I am now the proud owner of #89 from 1st Gen 2010...

    I am now the proud owner of #89 from 1st Gen 2010 and #849 from 3rd Gen 2012 and I can tell you that there are definitely differences in construction. I haven't skied on the ren.3's yet but visual...
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    Any ideas on a release date? Before the end of...

    Any ideas on a release date? Before the end of this season maybe?
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    The other shop doesn't have any machines IE....

    The other shop doesn't have any machines IE. Montana, Wintersteiger, etc. I didn't know this when I took the skis in. They have all stationary hand guided tools. I'm not a shop rat so I dont know...
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    New tune with lighter base structure and 1 degree...

    New tune with lighter base structure and 1 degree base bevel = fixed. The new tune was done on a Montana as opposed to the hand tune using grinders I had done at the 'other' shop.
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    Haha. I am pretty sure you spewed more douche in...

    Haha. I am pretty sure you spewed more douche in your one post than he will in his lifetime. Better thicken up than skin young Skywalker.
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    I took then to a different shop that has a...

    I took then to a different shop that has a wintersteiger and a Montana. They are going to grind them flat, fix the structure, and put a 1.5 degree base bevel for the entire length. We'll see what...
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    EXACTLY! You know when you are bombing down the...

    EXACTLY! You know when you are bombing down the groomer just to get back to the lift? I honestly had to ski somewhat sideways the whole time just to keep the front part of the ski from grabbing...
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    Anyone know how the skis come tuned as far as...

    Anyone know how the skis come tuned as far as edge/base bevel? I just got my skis back from getting tuned (for the first time) and holy shit do they suck now! SOOO grabby right in front of the...
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    Haha... I love my Rens now and have them 'figured...

    Haha... I love my Rens now and have them 'figured out'. Plus I never ever ever ski anything but the most EXTREME STEEP-TECH terrain so float in the flats is a non-issue ;)
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    DUDE! Why do you gotta be that way?!!? WHY do...

    DUDE! Why do you gotta be that way?!!? WHY do you have to INSIST that I spend the remainder of my season's savings on 196's? It's YOUR fault! It's all your damn fault. For Fargo's sake, I...
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    I can see where Kootney is coming from. If I...

    I can see where Kootney is coming from. If I happened to be Cat-skiing and my Rens magically showed up at the top on the second day, I'd be bummed about how they skied too.

    I know Whyturn has...
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    I was mounted at 88 for half a season and then on...

    I was mounted at 88 for half a season and then on 86 for the remaining half of last and all of this season. As much as I'd love to believe that the 88cm mount is better, the reality is that quick...
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    You can definitely see the difference in the tip...

    You can definitely see the difference in the tip curvature. The tips look like a big improvement. I wish my 2010 186's had those tips. Let us know how they are!
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    I'd love to see a side shot of the new tip if...

    I'd love to see a side shot of the new tip if anyone can spare a minute.
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    Are they all gone? I was just on your website...

    Are they all gone? I was just on your website and it allows me to add them to my shopping cart... Don't make me go to 'check out' just to test your claim ;)
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    All they had were 186's when I bought...

    All they had were 186's when I bought mine.....others have no god damn excuse! ;)
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    Anyone gonna trade up their 186's for the 196's?

    Anyone gonna trade up their 186's for the 196's?
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    Brought the Renegades to Haines not knowing what...

    Brought the Renegades to Haines not knowing what to expect. My apologies to 4FRNT for questioning portions of the design. I now think that the Renegade is the best AK/West Coast pow ski ever. ...
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    Depending on how much more tip rise they add, I...

    Depending on how much more tip rise they add, I may sell my current 186's and buy next year's 186. The current shape and flex are money.
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    If you read back, there aren't any 'rumours'...

    If you read back, there aren't any 'rumours' about a softer ski. There are a couple of mag requests for a slightly softer tip for better floatation. 4FRNT responded saying that they were putting...
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    I agree with D(C). And actually, I don't think...

    I agree with D(C). And actually, I don't think there's any divergent opinions on those particular points. Everyone seems to agree that the ski charges like a mutha, is poppy, and maneuverable. It...
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    Sounds good to me too 4FRNT.

    Sounds good to me too 4FRNT.
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    Just soften the tip ever so slightly and add 1cm...

    Just soften the tip ever so slightly and add 1cm of tip length with 1cm of additional splay.

    DC, I think you are bang on the money with the snow scenario and that's what one of my questions was. ...
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    Thanks for addressing this. I actually think...

    Thanks for addressing this. I actually think it's more of a steepness factor than a speed factor. When the ski which is angled less perpendicular to the force of gravity (steeper) it floats...
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    Hoji skis alot in AK. I bought the Rens hoping...

    Hoji skis alot in AK. I bought the Rens hoping they'd be good for my trip to Haines. The problem is that a ski that isn't completely dialed kicks your ass up there. Not alot of people are...
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    Okay, I might be beating a dead horse but.. I...

    Okay, I might be beating a dead horse but..

    I moved back to 86cms from the tail. Loved it. It is a much better fit for my ski technique. The ski felt amazing in everything except....2ft of -20c...
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    That does it. I'm moving mine back to 86. I have...

    That does it. I'm moving mine back to 86. I have 10 days on mine now and although I have many great runs on them, I have more than a handfull of so-so runs and I too think it may be due to the 88cm...
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    What exactly is written on your top sheet? Mine...

    What exactly is written on your top sheet? Mine says 135 122 129 (nope).

    Edit: Mine actually say 134 -122- 130 as well.
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    What did you end up doing with yours Maker? I...

    What did you end up doing with yours Maker? I still haven't got mine on bottomless blower but everything else has been awesome. I am starting to think that maybe the lack porpoise feeling is...
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    I hear what you are saying but if you were...

    I hear what you are saying but if you were balancing on an inflated Swiss ball, a 1cm difference in your fore/aft foot position would make a HUGE difference. Extrapolate that into a shortish, fully...
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    Mwood, you are from Edmonchuck. 88 cm will be...

    Mwood, you are from Edmonchuck. 88 cm will be perfect for the amount of pow they get at Rabbit Hill. :wink: JK.

    Where do you plan on skiing? If you aren't planning on traveling farther than...
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    Oh no apologies dude. I'm just a bit OCD and I...

    Oh no apologies dude. I'm just a bit OCD and I don't want to get stuck conceptualizing my skiing mid turn!

    I agree though that they are not the floatiest ski I've skied and I have a feeling that...
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    Skied mine 5 days so far. 3 in variable crap, 2...

    Skied mine 5 days so far. 3 in variable crap, 2 in some blower pow. The pow wasn't bottomlees and varied in depth from 'boot deep on top of firm' to 'deep enough to not feel the bottom but it was...
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    I am going to guess that the flex will soften...

    I am going to guess that the flex will soften over time? I can't imagine that Eric's skis are as stiff as our brand spanking new ones after the relentless number 30ft+ airs he's dropped.
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    I haven't skied them in any sustained deep pow...

    I haven't skied them in any sustained deep pow but I was thinking the exact same thing hitting small areas of knee deep. I wouldn't say 'tip dive' necessarily but definitely tip resistance. I am also...
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    Mine just arrived. Initial thoughts: -Super...

    Mine just arrived. Initial thoughts:

    -Super burly. Stiff, very balanced feeling hand flex
    -Fit and finish is very good
    -the sidecut and rocker are both very straight IE. These aren't clown...
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