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    Desirable resort towns (like Jackson) are totally...

    Desirable resort towns (like Jackson) are totally different than San Francisco and Seattle. You're right, to meet the housing demand in Jackson you would need to build 1.5 million new homes. That's...
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    Another common NIMBY claim, that you can never...

    Another common NIMBY claim, that you can never build enough free market housing to meet demand, and if you keep building, more and more people will just move to the area.

    As if there is unlimited...
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    We've never even tried it in most of the Western...

    We've never even tried it in most of the Western US. Our cities are amongst the least dense cities on Earth.

    Our solution has never been to increase density, it's just to throw more money, and...
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    I think it is debatable that publicly subsidized...

    I think it is debatable that publicly subsidized affordable housing works. Yes, there are lots who legitimately need affordable housing. But then there is another subset who finagle their way into...
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    That's the last major developable land from...

    That's the last major developable land from Enumclaw (the last city on the edge of the metro) all the way to Mt Rainier. The land from that trailer park to Mt Rainier is timber land owned by the...
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    Seattle/Tacoma area was developing as much as any...

    Seattle/Tacoma area was developing as much as any place on Earth for the last 10 years but that just stopped in the last year. It wasn't from lack of public money being thrown at development. It was...
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    Here you go fred. Your dream, 55+ retirement...

    Here you go fred. Your dream, 55+ retirement trailer park, only 45 minutes up the road to Crystal an Rainier:

    https://www.crystalmountainmhc.com/gallery/
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    Most places with housing shortages already do...

    Most places with housing shortages already do this, and have been doing this for awhile now. Tacoma has had a multi-family property tax exemption where the standard is 8 years tax free, and up to 20...
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    NIMBYs love to make this argument (all the new...

    NIMBYs love to make this argument (all the new housing is too fancy and doesn't provide affordable housing). What they ignore is that if a community builds enough fancy housing to meet it's demand,...
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    Is your water heater the only thing in your house...

    Is your water heater the only thing in your house on gas? If so, getting rid of the gas water heater avoids the flat monthly gas fee. If not, I would probably just replace with a new gas water...
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    From NYTimes this morning: 462137

    From NYTimes this morning:

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    Just be glad your Walmart of choice still allows...

    Just be glad your Walmart of choice still allows you to camp for free. More and more of them do not.

    In 2010, about 78% of Walmart stores allowed overnight RV parking. Now, it’s close to 58%.
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    No civilization in earth's history has excelled...

    No civilization in earth's history has excelled without thriving urban cores. The reason companies move to a place like Seattle is because of things like a large airport and port that allows getting...
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    That's totally true. But when the downtown urban...

    That's totally true. But when the downtown urban core decays and so does the tax revenue that comes with it there aren't going to be any roads or services for all the people living out in the...
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    I'll believe it when I see it. In my lifetime...

    I'll believe it when I see it. In my lifetime living in the West, I have never seen a time where we had too much housing. I've also never seen a time when rents go down other than momentary blips and...
  16. While I don't think it is technically legal, lots...

    While I don't think it is technically legal, lots of people camp in their car at the White River campground parking lot (the actual campground is closed). Climbers/skiers are coming/going at all...
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    I know it is hard for TGR bro bra, who only lives...

    I know it is hard for TGR bro bra, who only lives in car centric suburb or Jackson, to imagine, but some people like living downtown even if they don't work there. In places like Seattle there is...
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    Most poor people don't even have credit cards and...

    Most poor people don't even have credit cards and are stuck with debit cards. It's not as if we are making money playing this credit card points game. Businesses who pay this 1.8% fee pass it on to...
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    The Next Crisis Will Start With Empty Office...

    The Next Crisis Will Start With Empty Office Buildings

    Commercial real estate is losing value fast.
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    No wonder our country is so full of anxiety and...

    No wonder our country is so full of anxiety and depression. We're all too worried about what credit card to get and use to maximize our return. If our country regulated the ridiculous credit card...
  21. Looking towards Goat Island with Sunrise and the...

    Looking towards Goat Island with Sunrise and the Burroughs in the background, taken last Sunday

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    You'll have to check with the ranger if biking on the closed road is allowed and...
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    Yep, EV's are for rich people in the suburbs and...

    Yep, EV's are for rich people in the suburbs and in Aspen. Don't work for the masses. We can't build functioning mass transit so I have no faith we can build the required amount of public charging in...
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    It's like Walmart just took over your local...

    It's like Walmart just took over your local regional grocery store chain.

    Alterra has the money to go forward with master plan projects, but don't expect any of those projects to improve your...
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    https://youtu.be/JPmHrqbUlf4

    https://youtu.be/JPmHrqbUlf4
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    Not all places on earth are full of NIMBYs....

    Not all places on earth are full of NIMBYs. Nanchang, China, has built so many apartments recently that nearly 20% of the homes there sit vacant. I bet they don't have a homeless or worker housing...
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    Shit. Does this dude smoke weed? ...

    Shit. Does this dude smoke weed?
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    Some Hood camping chatter here: ...

    Some Hood camping chatter here:

    https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/344051-Oregon-2021-2022-Snow-Flow-Thread/page71
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    It only works if everyone buys in and nearly...

    It only works if everyone buys in and nearly everyone is ok living in government housing for their entire life. Because anything not owned by the government becomes astronomically expensive, relative...
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    Great! Who needs subsidized housing then? Seattle...

    Great! Who needs subsidized housing then? Seattle is trying out vanlife for worker housing too, but it's not working out as well:

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    Wyoming's gonna have to start paying taxes if...

    Wyoming's gonna have to start paying taxes if they want fancy boondoggle toys like that.
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    Why do you need workers if nobody lives there?...

    Why do you need workers if nobody lives there? Move all those jobs to Driggs and let Jackson go fallow. Problem solved.
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    Great news for outsiders like me, who just want...

    Great news for outsiders like me, who just want to pass through Jackson as fast as possible on my way to the parks and national forest. Could you imagine traffic if people actually lived in those...
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    Fucking tragic
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    This is the most telling part of that article: ...

    This is the most telling part of that article:

    "A report by Redfin last July showed Portland’s builders aren’t pulling permits fast enough to meet demand. For single-family houses, builders pulled...
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    What's the rate on the HELOC?

    What's the rate on the HELOC?
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    Curious why you are considering a HELOC instead...

    Curious why you are considering a HELOC instead of a cash out refinance, which normally gives you a better long term rate? Is the second home in CA going to be a rental property? If so, be familiar...
  37. The cars in the photo are on the way up the road,...

    The cars in the photo are on the way up the road, below the wash out, so they can drive down. It's the right side of the photo that is the way up to the trapped vehicles.
  38. I'll give you an old version of this thing for...

    I'll give you an old version of this thing for free if you come pick it up in Tacoma

    https://kazambikes.com/collections/child-bicycle-seats/products/kazam-ibert-child-seat

    I generally don't...
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    In college in CO nearly everyone who was in to...

    In college in CO nearly everyone who was in to mountain sports was out of state while the born and raised CO kids were mainly into the Broncos and city stuff. I know several people here born and...
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    Lots of states and schools out West have tuition...

    Lots of states and schools out West have tuition reciprocity. Most people I went to high school with in Oregon went to either U of O, Montana, or Montana St all on in state tuition. But the rules are...
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    Seattle and Steamboat have about equal median...

    Seattle and Steamboat have about equal median home prices at the moment (around $700k). But here's what Seattle's new public housing looks like:

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    And here is Steamboat's at Brown Ranch:
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    It's the same phenomenon occurring in suburbs...

    It's the same phenomenon occurring in suburbs across the West. Why do you think states like CA, OR, and WA have imposed state level, top down mandates to increase density? It's because all these...
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    You're providing some anecdotal examples to...

    You're providing some anecdotal examples to support your view. People move to mountain towns to escape the dense city life. That worked in the past when land in these rural communities was less...
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    That's why I laugh at these so called "affordable...

    That's why I laugh at these so called "affordable housing" projects in mountain towns. The price per square foot of land in Steamboat is just as expensive as it is in Seattle yet in Seattle the...
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    I think the problem with your premise is you...

    I think the problem with your premise is you assume teachers, cops, nurses, and fire fighters are the lowest wage workers that are necessary for a community. In reality, all these jobs pay well (as...
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    AR's right. The perceived unaffordability in...

    AR's right. The perceived unaffordability in these mountain towns isn't actually that bad, relatively speaking. You can always drive until you qualify. That's why I see housing prices in these...
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    I vote alpinevibes most likely to become mayor of...

    I vote alpinevibes most likely to become mayor of Aspen. Like everyone is the mountain town, they are raised, educated, and starts their career in a major metro then moves to the mountain town,...
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    ^This. And parking as well. Every year, America...

    ^This. And parking as well. Every year, America builds more three car garages than one bedroom apartments. The electrification of vehicles will only exasperate this as off site parking with charger...
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    Guys, don't you know. Aspen is special and has...

    Guys, don't you know. Aspen is special and has already figured this housing affordability issue out.
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    That's called age discrimination. They let you...

    That's called age discrimination. They let you get away with crap like that in race to the bottom places like Montana.
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