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  1. My mistake, the quote is from the reviewers,...

    My mistake, the quote is from the reviewers, which doesn't make much of a difference anyway.

    I guess I should be clear in saying that I am not invalidating the research because of the proxy...
  2. I'm starting to think that you are missing the...

    I'm starting to think that you are missing the fact that we are talking about yearly warming rates and global synchronous warming. I'm not saying that proxy data is useless, and no conclusions can...
  3. Once again, I am not citing the recent trends in...

    Once again, I am not citing the recent trends in Greenland's glaciers and SMB to claim climate change doesn't happen!!

    I am citing them to show the propaganda in WMD's hysterical Greenland article.
  4. MV and I are arguing about is whether the recent...

    MV and I are arguing about is whether the recent warming rate is unprecedented for the past 2,000 years, and whether this is the only time of the past 2,000 years where temperatures are warming...
  5. When I see this quote from their paper,...

    When I see this quote from their paper, "Unfortunately, limitations inherent in the proxies themselves probably still hamper our ability to compare warm or cool intervals with each other...
  6. All I am saying is that looking at proxy records...

    All I am saying is that looking at proxy records combined with recent instrumental records to compare recent and past warming rates and spatial warming has data issues. Any conclusions based on this...
  7. You seem to think that I'm implying that...

    You seem to think that I'm implying that Greenland hasn't been losing ice in recent decades. I'm not. I only posted about this in response to WMD's article about Al Roker just getting back from...
  8. If collusion isn't an actual offense, then what...

    If collusion isn't an actual offense, then what was the point of investigating Trump for colluding with Russia?
  9. I think you understand what I'm saying, but none...

    I think you understand what I'm saying, but none of your responses relate to the point I'm trying to make, so I'm not sure if you do understand. To be clear, I am saying that it is a stretch to be...
  10. That has nothing to do with our current argument....

    That has nothing to do with our current argument. I'm claiming that I don't think that it's a coincidence that the highest (mostly natural) warming rate by far of the past 2,000 years shows up as...
  11. I feel the same way. But I thought there was...

    I feel the same way.

    But I thought there was no evidence of collusion with Russia? At least, thats what Jimmy Dore and Aaron Mate told me.
  12. https://sciencenordic.com/climate-change-denmark-g...

    https://sciencenordic.com/climate-change-denmark-greenland-science-special/how-the-greenland-ice-sheet-fared-in-2017/1450063
    ...
  13. Instrumental record sure, I don't take issue with...

    Instrumental record sure, I don't take issue with that.



    No shit, but the article said the glaciers are "vanishing at an astonishing rate." They aren't.



    Never said melting is over. ...
  14. 1050-1100 is already going into a cooling trend...

    1050-1100 is already going into a cooling trend before any volcanic forcing, same for 1400-1450.



    You said it wasn't a coincidence that the early 20th century warming shows such a significant...
  15. When I hear this quote, "And they’re not just...

    When I hear this quote, "And they’re not just melting—they’re vanishing at an astonishing rate," I don't expect to find any glaciers growing. Nor do I expect to find that the Greenland ice sheet...
  16. So you attribute the Little Ice Age to volcanic...

    So you attribute the Little Ice Age to volcanic activity, and the early 1900's warming to the lack of volcanic activity? Then what do you make of the period from 1050-1100? There was a similar lack...
  17. Agree, just pointing out that another one of...

    Agree, just pointing out that another one of WMD's links is not reliable.
  18. This is the point I'm making. There is no...

    This is the point I'm making. There is no 'settled science' on how all these positive and negative feedbacks will interact.
  19. Your Neukom paper says as much itself:...

    Your Neukom paper says as much itself: "Unfortunately, limitations inherent in the proxies themselves probably still hamper our ability to compare warm or cool intervals with each other throughout...
  20. Not quite. The largest glacier in Greenland has...

    Not quite. The largest glacier in Greenland has been gaining mass the past 3 years: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145185/major-greenland-glacier-is-growing

    And its not the only one:...
  21. I didn't read it, but I read this summary of it:...

    I didn't read it, but I read this summary of it: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/may/03/is-the-climate-consensus-97-999-or-is-plate-tectonics-a-hoax

    I...
  22. I don't think the two of us are going to make any...

    I don't think the two of us are going to make any progress in this discussion. You have limited evidence for these claims, and zero evidence for these claims if you look solely at proxy records. ...
  23. Your hurricane reference confirms that you have...

    Your hurricane reference confirms that you have no idea what you are talking about.
  24. Global warming hasn't caused an increase in...

    Global warming hasn't caused an increase in floods, so I'm not too worried about that.

    The point is we have no consensus whatsoever on how dangerous AGW is for society.
  25. What's your point? It's pretty promising...

    What's your point?



    It's pretty promising if the climate sensitivity is closer to 1'C. If that is the case, there isn't much more warming that can be caused by CO2 alone. You would think...
  26. It matters because everyone proclaims there is a...

    It matters because everyone proclaims there is a 97% percent consensus that humans are causing climate change and its dangerous. Therefore, I am a moron for questioning the consensus. The only...
  27. Like I said, if you guys don't post stupid BS I...

    Like I said, if you guys don't post stupid BS I will not post. It appears that is very difficult for you guys.
  28. Change of what?

    Change of what?
  29. Why are we still doing this? This might be the...

    Why are we still doing this?

    This might be the stupidest study I have ever seen. They take the discredited Cook study, and compare its results to the results of plate tectonics studies and find a...
  30. Fixed you post. I hate to start this up again,...

    Fixed you post.

    I hate to start this up again, but please find me one thing that is unusual about our current climate in the context of the last 2,000 years.
  31. So the point was to post an article that supports...

    So the point was to post an article that supports my position written by someone who supports fossil fuels? Makes sense.

    The funny thing is that you thought the Houston University Energy Fellows...
  32. I'll stop. I had no intention of ever getting...

    I'll stop. I had no intention of ever getting this involved in the thread.

    Just don't post stupid false propaganda shit, or I might feel the need to post about it.
  33. What exactly is the point you are trying to make?...

    What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

    WMD is the one blathering on about the 97% consensus. I'm telling him it doesn't exist.
  34. I never said you said 97% of scientists. This...

    I never said you said 97% of scientists.

    This is the slogan you hear everywhere: "97% of scientists agree that climate change is real, man made, and dangerous." The only point I have been trying...
  35. I'm all for less pollution, but it's not as...

    I'm all for less pollution, but it's not as simple as you make it sound. Significantly increasing the price of energy will have a profound impact on society. Proponents of 100% non carbon renewable...
  36. So why do you keep championing the Cook study...

    So why do you keep championing the Cook study from 2013, which doesn't claim that 97% of climate scientists agree that humans are causing global warming, but that 97% of scientists agree that humans...
  37. What post are you referencing from earlier? ...

    What post are you referencing from earlier?

    The land degradation stats have virtually nothing to do with global warming. It is largely the result of agricultural practices:...
  38. Wow, you posted something that supports my...

    Wow, you posted something that supports my position. From the Forbes article, we can say something like 80-90% of scientists agree that humans are causing global warming. Just about everyone on...
  39. I guess I should have known I would get accused...

    I guess I should have known I would get accused of cherry picking. You know the phrase, "97% of scientists agree global warming is real and man made?" Notice how they say 'scientists,' not 'climate...
  40. I've already shown you multiple times that the...

    I've already shown you multiple times that the 97% is BS. For another example, look a couple posts up.
  41. For the 100th time, definitely not a Trump...

    For the 100th time, definitely not a Trump supporter.

    Although as painful as it is to admit, I think I'd rather him over any 2020 Dems. I would love Gabbard, but she's not going to get the...
  42. If I was only on here to stir shit up, wouldn't...

    If I was only on here to stir shit up, wouldn't it make more sense for me to claim I've been studying climate for 15 years rather than admit to only 3?

    I'm curious what positions and references...
  43. CO2 levels have been naturally much higher than...

    CO2 levels have been naturally much higher than today's levels.

    CO2 is a known greenhouse gas. Beyond that there is much uncertainty.

    For example, the climate sensitivity of CO2 - the average...
  44. How many times do I need to post about the 97%...

    How many times do I need to post about the 97% consensus being bogus?
  45. Sure, 99% of scientists believe humans are...

    Sure, 99% of scientists believe humans are causing the planet to warm. I'd consider that settled.

    How much of the warming humans are responsible for and how dangerous the warming is isn't close...
  46. Aww come on MV, I liked you the best in this...

    Aww come on MV, I liked you the best in this thread. You're the only one that was actually willing to have a real conversation in here.

    I've already stated that I only started paying attention to...
  47. Your analogy fails. And the science isn't...

    Your analogy fails.

    And the science isn't settled.
  48. I've already posted about my issues with the IPCC...

    I've already posted about my issues with the IPCC so I'm not going to rehash it again, but in short, the IPCC is a political organization masquerading as a science organization.
  49. I'm an early 30's east coast transplant, but they...

    I'm an early 30's east coast transplant, but they seem pretty normal compared to past snowfall totals. Either way, I don't think we have enough long term snowfall data to make many conclusions.
  50. Obviously Taalas' comment does not imply that...

    Obviously Taalas' comment does not imply that people and civilizations are at risk.

    It's funny to me how you and other alarmists like to categorize global warming as a threat to suffering, death,...
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