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    I am one of the guys looking for a tweener...

    I am one of the guys looking for a tweener without having skied the Kartel 108. I just tend to like something between a traditional and ultra progressive mount. My experience with Bibbys at -6 makes...
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    Nice to hear good things about the Woodsman. I...

    Nice to hear good things about the Woodsman. I still think a Woodsman/Wildcat 108 shootout is in order for my next DD. If the Woodsman is closer to a more playful Wren, I'm thinking the Wildcat 108...
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    So I actually did buy a pair with the sonar green...

    So I actually did buy a pair with the sonar green and one with the sonar red. The Sonar Red is darker than the red solex. It's just a bit tough to tell at home what the lens will be like on the...
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    Well the newer run of Sonar/Zeiss lenses (Anon's...

    Well the newer run of Sonar/Zeiss lenses (Anon's version of Chromapop/Prizm) is exactly why I was hoping for more feedback. Most review info I was digging up was for older lenses. I think the VLT...
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    Huh, that's a bummer to hear. I've mainly only...

    Huh, that's a bummer to hear. I've mainly only heard great things about them. I've had fogging problems with my Smith I/O and Oakley Flightdeck XM so I was looking to go in a different direction. I...
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    Anon Sonar Lenses

    It's been a while since I've looked at or spent much money on goggles. I'm wanting to grab a new pair during sales. Trying on a few I think I'm going to get some Anon M2s. I'm having a hard time...
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    Yeah I guess the 164 for my 5'0" wife would be...

    Yeah I guess the 164 for my 5'0" wife would be similar to me being on a 191. I ski the 184 but would feel fine going up. But then again I'm a much better skier than she is. It would probaly be worth...
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    How tall are your better halves? My wife is a...

    How tall are your better halves? My wife is a tiny 5'0" but fairly strong build and ~120 lbs. When I ratio my 184 BG to my 5'10" height her equivalent would be about a 158. She's an intermediate...
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    I don't get to ski nearly enough to justify both...

    I don't get to ski nearly enough to justify both the BG and C&D, but damn those C&D are sexy and make me second guess that! I do wonder if something like a Woodsman 108 and C&D would make a better...
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    I can't comment on the Wrens, but Billy Goats...

    I can't comment on the Wrens, but Billy Goats were fukin made for the trees! SO turny with no hookiness. Seriously a blast. BG > Bibbys >>>> QLabs in any kind of soft trees. The Wrens may be fine,...
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    HA! Well that was actually the point of my post...

    HA! Well that was actually the point of my post replying to the comment that I was thinking too hard about it...my point was there was a reason and thought put in to it obviously, not just being done...
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    Just bored at work like probably most others on...

    Just bored at work like probably most others on here and day dreaming about new skis next year. I'm just curious about it. Obviously they think it is important enough to keep bouncing around and...
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    Any insight you're willing to share on how you...

    Any insight you're willing to share on how you nail down sizes? Is is a gut thing, backed by sales, matching effective edge to other model sizes, expected use/style of ski, etc? Just curious how you...
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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    Just funny. Like the old goats were 186 and 191 (donít remember the smaller sizes but I assume 181). 190+ doesnít sell so they knock 2cm off the tail and call it 184 and 189. I think this is the...
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    Yeah like I said, I'm being a picky asshole. I'm...

    Yeah like I said, I'm being a picky asshole. I'm aware of how ON3P measures compared to other companies. I'm sure one of 182 or 187 will be just fine. My only ON3P skis are 184 Billy Goats and that...
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    Of course you dance around the 184/185 I want to...

    Of course you dance around the 184/185 I want to make the decision that much harder. haha Shift the lengths to make a 190+ make sense but miss the sweet spot. 180, 185, 190 what's so wrong with that?...
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    Sounds like exactly what I want for non BG days.

    Sounds like exactly what I want for non BG days.
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    Have you considered the Wildcat 108? Might be a...

    Have you considered the Wildcat 108? Might be a bit better as a daily especially for 70 year old knees.
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    Man you're not helping! That sounds very similar...

    Man you're not helping! That sounds very similar to what I'm looking for to compliment my BGs.
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    Flat or with bindings? Damn I'd like to try those.

    Flat or with bindings? Damn I'd like to try those.
  21. I didn't have the OG 185 Cochise for that long,...

    I didn't have the OG 185 Cochise for that long, but my best days on them by far were in spring conditions.
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    I too think that these will be a couple skis...

    I too think that these will be a couple skis worth comparing. Kind of hard to compare two skis that not many have skied yet though. I think these will squeeze in between K108 and Woodsman as far as...
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    Man Wildcat 108 and Woodsman might be a tough...

    Man Wildcat 108 and Woodsman might be a tough choice for me as my non-pow day ski. That Wildcat 108 proto has a bit more rocker than I expected though.
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    I agree that the difference in rocker is probably...

    I agree that the difference in rocker is probably why the Bibby is looser than the DW as both have fairly similar taper. But to take the taper argument to more of an extreme, the Bibby and Billy Goat...
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    Thanks. I really wish I had been able to get on a...

    Thanks. I really wish I had been able to get on a pair at some point so I had a better feel for length. I have a bit of a mental block with tip length being too short. I think these would be shorter...
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    The Bibby still has a lot of tail at -6. Switch...

    The Bibby still has a lot of tail at -6. Switch riding and landings are just fine as long as you don't plan to spend like half of your time riding switch.
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    What size are you? Iím on 184 Goats but always...

    What size are you? Iím on 184 Goats but always assumed Iíd go for 186 K108. How did you feel the 181 length is?


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    18/19 Black Crow Corvus is another if it's not on...

    18/19 Black Crow Corvus is another if it's not on your radar.
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    Just get the cheap x-pro if you know they fit. I...

    Just get the cheap x-pro if you know they fit. I don’t think the price difference is worth 200g for an inbounds boot.
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    FIFY (I assume you meant C&D there not BG?)

    FIFY (I assume you meant C&D there not BG?)
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    Good point of reference. I have 184 Bibbys that...

    Good point of reference. I have 184 Bibbys that were my go-to pow ski before I got BGs. They are mounted on the line at -6. Not only are they actually about 2cm shorter than my 184 BGs, they ski even...
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    OP may notice a trend here....get some BGs! ...

    OP may notice a trend here....get some BGs!

    But auvgeek makes a good point. From what I've heard the new ON3P C&D is basically a fat BG. So it's possible an ON3P 108 and the C&D might be a better...
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    At 160 lbs I highly doubt you will find the...

    At 160 lbs I highly doubt you will find the standard BG too little ski. The BG is one ski you REALLY REALLY REALLY need to mount on the line. Going back will not do what you're hoping but instead...
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    184 ON3P Billy Goat (anything new or soft...

    184 ON3P Billy Goat (anything new or soft conditions)
    183 Salomon Q-Lab for daily

    I plan to replace the Q-Lab with an ON3P Kartel/Wrenegade (or new Woodsman) 108. Something like a Moment PB&J...
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    I have last year's asym BG. I have found them...

    I have last year's asym BG. I have found them adequate on those icy entrances. The only thing I'd say is if they catch you by surprise it can be easy to lose it a bit. If I am expecting the hard...
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    Hit this last PNW storm cycle perfect and had 3...

    Hit this last PNW storm cycle perfect and had 3 amazing days of pow on my 17/18 BGs. They are officially in "favorite ski ever" status for me. SO SO SO fun in pow and especially in the trees. Handle...
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    Better be prepared to feed yourself for a month...

    Better be prepared to feed yourself for a month from the looks of it.
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    What year are those C&D from? Canít remember but...

    What year are those C&D from? Canít remember but are there rocker shots of the current C&D next to a current BG?


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    Got my invite to a cabin outside Packwood for the...

    Got my invite to a cabin outside Packwood for the weekend. WP it is for me. I've been eyeing the hills around town trying to figure out where I can get a few turns if the next big snow even shows up...
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    Billy Goat or just spend the time to get used to...

    Billy Goat or just spend the time to get used to a more centered stance. BG is easily a harder charger and way more maneuverable from my experience with the Bibby and BG (184s for both). The only...
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    No idea. The OP was talking about the older ones....

    No idea. The OP was talking about the older ones. You are on the new version right? I couldn't mind mount info on the Corvus page of their website. Didn't dig too hard though.
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    Is it -10 on all sizes? If so the mount gets more...

    Is it -10 on all sizes? If so the mount gets more progressive in the bigger sizes. Still, I can't understand anyone thinking -10 on a 193 is like ultra progressive and a short tip unless it's the...
  43. Damn, great van. This is....something to think...

    Damn, great van. This is....something to think about. Hope it sells fast!
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    Hopefully is right! The awesome sunrises and...

    Hopefully is right! The awesome sunrises and sunsets have at least been a bit of a consolation prize for the shit ski conditions. I'm ready for some snow though!
  45. This doesn't really answer your question, but I...

    This doesn't really answer your question, but I have P14 on two sets of skis and STH2 13 that came on one set. I don't have a binding stash beyond those, and if I had to go buy some I'm pretty sure...
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    I never knew this whole story either. Thanks for...

    I never knew this whole story either. Thanks for sharing that. I love the topsheet of my 12-13 and it's cool to know the background!
  47. Most skis are "rockered" these days. You really...

    Most skis are "rockered" these days. You really need to use "full rocker" in describing what you want and looking through specs. All companies that use tip/tail rocker will describe their skis as...
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    Well that's almost exactly the point of a 108...

    Well that's almost exactly the point of a 108 daily driver....be good at almost everything and terrible at almost nothing.


    Count me in! I've debated with myselt so long on this. I like you mount...
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    Another holy-shit-these-are-good-skis day on my...

    Another holy-shit-these-are-good-skis day on my Billy Goats last Friday. Around 4-6" new with deep stashes and all sorts of variability from run to run including wind pack and various levels of...
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    Found a few stashes left over from Sunday's snow....

    Found a few stashes left over from Sunday's snow. Nice day overall yesterday. Shitty pic snagged from a video clip my buddy took. #meadowskippingmonday

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