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    FWIW I ski the 188 pb&j (same rocker/camber as...

    FWIW I ski the 188 pb&j (same rocker/camber as the wildcat, correct me if I'm wrong on that) and the 190 deathwish and find the deathwish to have equal or better edgehold on groomers. The pb&j is...
  2. +1 I bought a pair of Voile Superchargers...

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    I bought a pair of Voile Superchargers (106mm) when I was living in salt lake as a midwinter touring setup and they were awesome. Now living in CO they are still awesome but I would be happier...
  3. Seems to be a general consensus on the bindings...

    Seems to be a general consensus on the bindings and boots. Any of the simple pin bindings without brakes etc, and some boots under 1500g that fit well and have decent ROM. For the skis people are a...
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    To verify the template once you've gotten it...

    To verify the template once you've gotten it taped up, the distance from the rear holes of the toepiece to the front holes of the heel piece on center should be your BSL (in mm) minus 97 or 98. I've...
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    For Alta/Bird I'd personally go with the first...

    For Alta/Bird I'd personally go with the first one, and wouldn't rule out the Cease and Desists instead of the Billygoats. Why not go big if you ski somewhere that legitimately gets big dumps? I have...
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    Hard to compare since I don't have the wren 114s,...

    Hard to compare since I don't have the wren 114s, but I find the 184cm wren 96s to be plenty maneuverable in steep bumps, but its when things get lower angle and I want to flow/zipper the bumps with...
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    I tele on a pair of 184cm Wrenegade 96 with...

    I tele on a pair of 184cm Wrenegade 96 with outlaws. I believe the reccomended line is at -9.3cm, but mine are a hair ahead at -9cm and I love them there. Definitely wouldn't go back, could maybe up...
  8. I've always kind of wondered when auto heel...

    I've always kind of wondered when auto heel risers would come out. I imagined a bluetooth version with a pole mounted button that raised and lowered a single medium height riser. This would be for...
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    I love skiing my pb&js when there is 1-4 inches...

    I love skiing my pb&js when there is 1-4 inches of fresh. Super turny and playful yet stiff enough to absolutely rage chop if you want to. Once the snow starts getting deeper or heavier, they become...
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    I realize the ski has a proven design that...

    I realize the ski has a proven design that everyone loves, and that the mount point is dialed and that if you ski RES your cock will grow a foot, but this is TGR tech talk, the land of examining the...
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    Ahh thats a good idea. And yeah I'm a little more...

    Ahh thats a good idea. And yeah I'm a little more sensitive to mount point because of the whole tele thing. I will probably get them anyway, but just like to make informed decisions.
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    I don't have the skis, otherwise it wouldn't be a...

    I don't have the skis, otherwise it wouldn't be a question. I'm curious where that dimple is on the 189s in particular.
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    What is the recommended mount point for the new...

    What is the recommended mount point for the new Cease and Desist? I keep reading that it is the same as the billygoat, and that the billygoat has a traditional directional mount, but whats that mean?...
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    Sticky: Should be up there now, idk why I can see it when...

    Should be up there now, idk why I can see it when I imbed the photo but you can't.

    You can buy the duckbutts from shapeways 3d printing. A guy made a 3d printing file and uploaded it there. Just...
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    Sticky: Skis L->R Retro/kick and glide touring: 1984...

    Skis L->R
    Retro/kick and glide touring:
    1984 Karhu XCD GT 200cm - pins
    1986 Fischer GTS super telemark - Riva C
    Touring:
    2016 Voile WSP 160cm - Moonlight Pure
    2018 Voile Objective 171cm - Lynx...
  16. I agree about not wanting too demanding of a ski....

    I agree about not wanting too demanding of a ski. It's hard enough doing lunges all day without adding in some monster ski you have to crank around.

    Quasi related to that, I happen to love a bit...
  17. Also I have never skied alpine so I don't know...

    Also I have never skied alpine so I don't know how the mounting point "translates." I just know what works for me on my tele skis.
  18. The general rule these days is to just follow the...

    The general rule these days is to just follow the alpine mount recommendation. Mounting a cm or two rearward helps keep the uphill ski tip from diving in powder, but these days skis are so fat and...
  19. The 2019 and deathwish is definitely lighter and...

    The 2019 and deathwish is definitely lighter and softer in a relatively similar shape. I'm not sure how the new ones ski since they beefed them up. Might be a little too close to what you have. I...
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    Pretty sure the deathwish is flat underfoot with...

    Pretty sure the deathwish is flat underfoot with an overall camber. I didn't know the Ghost train lacked the camber, but makes sense given its purpose. The DW is my favorite ski ever as well, but it...
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    Maybe the Chipotle Banana is a better comparison...

    Maybe the Chipotle Banana is a better comparison to the C&D than the ghost train? Yeah I know they are very different still (fully rockered "radius rocker sidecut" at -5cm vs fat pintail w/RES at...
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    Yeah I think I'm going to go big or go home on...

    Yeah I think I'm going to go big or go home on this ski. I love the megawatts at 125mm but they are straight noodles once things get tracked. Good intro to pow specific skis but I want to upgrade....
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    Hmm this C&D talk has me thinking. I've been...

    Hmm this C&D talk has me thinking. I've been dreaming about a custom pair for next season, but you guys have me considering the billygoat. I'll be living at Alta, so there is a high probability I...
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    I have a number of days on my 2020 Lynx and they...

    I have a number of days on my 2020 Lynx and they are phenomenal. I am skiing them with a scarpa f1 that I modified with the 3D printed duckbutts from the EYT forum. After a bit of trimming of rubber...
  25. Bumping up this long shot wtb. Anyone holding?

    Bumping up this long shot wtb. Anyone holding?
  26. WTB: OR blackpowder pants (or other pants that take kneepads)

    I am looking for a pair of Outdoor Research Blackpowder pants (original, not the II) in any color size medium. The defining feature of these pants is that they have built in slots for kneepads, while...
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    I live and tour in CO, and the Voile Supercharger...

    I live and tour in CO, and the Voile Supercharger is my only dedicated touring setup (178 length). I am looking to add a <90 underfoot ski for long spring sufferfests, and I have 190 Deathwishes that...
  28. Two pairs isn't enough for inbounds/touring amd...

    Two pairs isn't enough for inbounds/touring amd one brand is way too limiting. My current two ski resort quiver is:

    184 Wren 96
    190 Deathwish
    Both with 22D outlaw telemark bindins

    I have some...
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    800 is the fill power, which basically rates the...

    800 is the fill power, which basically rates the quality of the down. Fill weight would be in ounces or grams. That jacket probably has like 12oz of down in it. Its a bit frustrating because...
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    When you see 650, 700, 800 etc. that is the fill...

    When you see 650, 700, 800 etc. that is the fill POWER. 800 and 850 are pretty much the highest quality down, which means it takes less fill WEIGHT to achieve the same warmth as a 650 fill power...
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    I am very interested hear these comparisons as...

    I am very interested hear these comparisons as well, one of these two will be my next ski. Although I think I have decided on C&Ds (still waffling between sizes though... 🙄).

    188 blue Megawatts...
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    What was up with the 108s? Just curious. Also...

    What was up with the 108s? Just curious.

    Also I think the commander 98 makes even more sense than the 108s if you already own the deathwish. I pair my 190 deathwishes with 184 wren 96's and find...
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    What length are those? Also: Anyone skiing the...

    What length are those?

    Also: Anyone skiing the 184 C&D and wishing they got the 189 or vice versa? I'm sorta in between sizes and would like a little info on the differences. Normally I'd go...
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    The deathwish is kind of a quiver killer imo. It...

    The deathwish is kind of a quiver killer imo. It does so many things so well that I think having it and the wildcat 108 or even the 118 in the same quiver is a little crowded. Its not nessecarily the...
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    They ended up opening the gondi, 5 and 23 later...

    They ended up opening the gondi, 5 and 23 later in the day. It was a pretty sweet time, snow was very wind affected but actually really dry up high. Later in the day the most sunny aspects were...
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    FKNA thats sick. Best model year of that truck...

    FKNA thats sick. Best model year of that truck imo. Good looking camper too.
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    Your skis can only tell how heavy you are, how...

    Your skis can only tell how heavy you are, how fast you like to go and how effective you are at bending the ski. Your skis don't know how tall you are. If you're strong, have good form and like to...
  38. Dude, I just tried to write a real response to...

    Dude, I just tried to write a real response to that question, I really did, but there are way too many variables involved here and there is no one size fits all formula, or anything even close...
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    Sweet thanks for the pics. Looks like in the...

    Sweet thanks for the pics. Looks like in the longer lengths I can expect them to measure 1.5-2cm shorter than stated length, similar to Moments. Seems like the 192 and 187 Protest would stack up...
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    Do Praxis skis measure true to length ala ON3P or...

    Do Praxis skis measure true to length ala ON3P or shorter like a Moment/most ski brands? It depends on the ski obviously but say for a similar shape/use how would a 184 ON3P stack up lengthwise...
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    Very enticing. Thanks for the help guys.

    Very enticing. Thanks for the help guys.
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    I don't want to start a politics debate, and I...

    I don't want to start a politics debate, and I agree with almost everything you said, but China doesn't have a communist government. They have a planned economy but the workers don't control the...
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    Whats the weight for the cease and desist in 184...

    Whats the weight for the cease and desist in 184 or 189? Anyone have their pair on a scale? I figured it would be listed on the 2020 page but its still not on there.

    My apologies if someone...
  44. A big roof box should be able to fit most of your...

    A big roof box should be able to fit most of your gear, and even though it kinda kills mileage, you can take it off in the summer, where a truck has bad mileage year round. A utility trailer for...
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    https://youtu.be/vfgTXFx4Ins Here it is. Just...

    https://youtu.be/vfgTXFx4Ins

    Here it is. Just re-watched it. Super interesting insights to asian bike manufacturing. I wonder how much transfers over to skis.
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    I have 2015 pb&js and the topsheets are all...

    I have 2015 pb&js and the topsheets are all chipped on the insides which sucks, but in reality its just cosmetic. My 2018 deathwishes (which have semi-cap construction but also way fewer days) show...
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    I agree with keeping a M5 class ski in there....

    I agree with keeping a M5 class ski in there. Personally I hate riding skis that are too fat for conditions, and would way rather be caught with a 96 underfoot ski in 6 inches than a 108 on...
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    Pretty sure liberty skis are made in china, and...

    Pretty sure liberty skis are made in china, and the pair I had was very durable. Thick sidewalls, burly edges, and a decently durable base. They were remarkably flat too. The camber was a little...
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    If you take the binding off, then put the machine...

    If you take the binding off, then put the machine screws partway in the inserts and hit them (all 4) with a blow torch, it will heat up the insert and loosen up the epoxy. It might give you just...
  50. Not saying its the worst place to ski, its...

    Not saying its the worst place to ski, its actually a great place to ski, especially when they have some fresh, because the majority of the regular crowd can't/doesn't ski powder. I just think it...
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