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In theory, yes. But government assessors aren't very reliable, they're often lazy and they also tend to assess on the high side because it benefits the government - higher assessment means higher taxes. So using your assessment as a true indicator of your home's value is prettty questionable, at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock Landers
What do we go off on then, in determining home values? Do most people use private assessment to get a more accurate figure?
Whatever you can get somebody to pay for it. Everything else is a guess.
No doubt. Ours comes in at 20% UNDER true value based on comparables. I will not be calling the District to correct their error.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
The last time I checked, the price your home is worth is that which someone is willing to buy it from you.
What mcsquared said. It's kinda useless knowledge anyways, unless you are selling, trying to get a home equity loan, or you feel that the house has been assessed too high and you are getting jacked on taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock Landers
There's a whole procedure here to challenge your tax assessment if you thnk it's too high, I would imagine the same kind of thing exists most places.
If you're selling, your agent should be able to help you price it by looking at comparable sales.
If you're going for a loan you will probably need to have a private assessment done.
The county's assessments here have been under market value for the last 15 years, though they seem to be creeping up closer each year.
Watching your local market and keeping track of comparable home sales is the best way - here the county has that stuff on a web page.
the Fed is pumping more dollars into this economy than dankhucker is posting threads
M3 baby! Up up and away!
ha ha, hater. I just used that as an example that was somewhat verifiable. How about the fact that three of my neighbors sold in the last couple moneths, and each of thier homes were on the market for less thana week? How about the fact the dude next door sold for about $65,000 more than he bought it for two years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
Real Estate crash, psshhh.
Ummmmmm I didn't say shit about the real value of your home or the market in your part of town.
Go ahead and use the assessor's "value" of your home when you decide to price it for sale. :rolleyes:
oh relax....
Assessed values are nothing more than your local municipality getting some of your hard earned tax dollars. It's not a true indicator of your homes worth. Neither is a home appraisal. It's just the agents telling the appraiser what to appraise the home for in order for the appraiser to get paid.
Locally here in New Jersey and New York, and I'm guessing elsewhere, politicians are pushing bills to "help" poor little homeowners who are threatened with foreclosure due to their stupidity and greed by taking out one of those subprime loans over the past few years. But I'm sure that they aren't concerned about the homeowners, as much as they are about (1) the banks that stand to lose a ton, and (2) the municipality, county, and state tax coffers that stand to lose a ton of revenue if these bloated home values turn out to be the fiction that they are.
Ouch, it hurts a little more when I bend over.
^Exactly. Foreclosures will have a ripple effect on the tax revenue. A lot of subprime companies are looking for relief by trying to refinance the loans that are more favorable to the homeowner just to keep from the prospect of massive foreclosures and bankruptcies of the subprime market.
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Originally Posted by SquawMan
And, Oh yeah, this is next. Everyone who is sitting on equity loans for home values that don't exist anymore, and may not for 5-10 years. And I still see ads on the TV for "cash out, no money down" deals. This is why 75% of boomers will work 'til they die - they have to pay for yesterday's big screen TV and Range Rover.
Lest it be misconstrued that I derailed the thread, I will state that I was simply responding to Benny’s dire prediction of real estate market collapse. I am more than happy that my home value has continued to appreciate by all measurable standards; although I feel for people in other locales who have not been so fortunate.
I also do think the two markets are connected in some regard.
Fini
I saw where Squawman gave me a mention before he edited his post, thanks for thinking of me dude, but since we got in here before the boom kicked off, and I'm in a 30-year-fixed at just over 5%, and I have no intention of selling within at least the next ten years I think I'm in an okay spot.
Yeah, Ice, you're in a good spot. Now you just have to avoid tapping in to buy that walk in humidor or the live in Japanese masseuse. Or the thoroughbred.
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Originally Posted by iceman
it wasn't a slight, I just see you posting in every single thread that's ever put up :fmicon: so I thought I'd address it to you
btw, re: the stock market
one big reason why it's been going up is because government's around the world are printing money like crazy and liquidity (M3 and MZM) are spiking like never before
what nobody seems to be worried about is that tides go in both directions and when this liquidity boom reverses, look out below
my call for what causes the reversal? Pakistan going into chaos and the US needing to occupy a third Islamic country when we don't have the resources or the support of the rest of the world to do it
I hope I'm wrong, but it's looking more likely by the day
May 15th 2007 | DELHI
From Economist.com
Pervez Musharraf's grip may be loosening
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AFP
IN THE past few days the port mega-city of Karachi, a seething Asian bazaar, has been restored to the violence that has scarred its modern history. At least 41 people were killed and scores injured in gun-battles at the weekend. Corpses were dragged from shot-up cars and displayed on the tarmac. Shop-fronts were smashed and set ablaze. Buses and lorries were used as road-blocks and also torched. As the carnage spread, 15,000 police and paramilitary troops stood idly by.
Many reports suggest the violence was perpetrated by Karachi’s ruling party, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM). The MQM is an ethnically-based mafia and ally of Pakistan’s president and army chief, General Pervez Musharraf. Its target was an anti-government rally by thousands of lawyers and opposition supporters that was scheduled for Saturday May 12th. Their main gripe was an ongoing effort by General Musharraf to remove Pakistan’s chief judge, Iftikhar Chaudhry, who was supposed to address the rally.
If the MQM meant to deter the opposition with violence, it failed. On Monday opposition parties held a national strike to condemn the slaughter. They included the parties of two exiled former prime ministers, Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, and a coalition of Islamists, the Muttahida Majilis-e-Amal (MMA). The MMA formerly backed the general, as Islamists in Pakistan usually have. But not any more. With an election planned for this year, Pakistani democracy appears to be stirring from the coma it slipped into eight years ago, when General Musharraf seized power in a coup.
Its awakening, if that is what it is, may be traced to March 9th when General Musharraf ordered Mr Chaudhry to resign. Eccentric, vain, some say incompetent, he had upset his fellow judges. He had also given populist rulings against the government, for example blocking the sale of an ailing state steel-mill. More audaciously, he had demanded an investigation into the disappearance of some 400 people, mostly from his native Balochistan, where an insurgency is flickering. Probably, this was the work of the army’s powerful Military Intelligence agency.
Indeed, wherever Mr Chaudhry heard so much as a rumour of injustice, for example, in the reports of kidnapping and rape that decorate the margins of Pakistani newspapers, he summoned officials and demanded investigations. Yet few people seem to have loved Mr Chaudhry, at least until he refused General Musharraf’s order to resign.
This ethnic conflict raises fears of a return to a tribal war that raged in Karachi in the late 1980s.
You can get a live-in Japanese masseuse? hmmm...
just the copper in Ice's house would buy and keep a thouroughbred.
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Originally Posted by lemon boy
hmmm.....let's wait til his next Utah trip and strip the sucker.
I dunno, seems like strippers are getting awfully expensive here:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...f?t=1179336184
how about Puerto Rico?
That's what his portfolio is for, and ergo the worried tone in his posts.... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
hmmm .. so much talk about strippers.. what say you maggots about the gold prices?
gold? you mean, like the metal?
nah. Platinum is where it's at baby, that stuff is PIMP! All future gifts of bling to me must be in platinum from now on. Or maybe that weird gray/silver stuff that looks all metallic? Hematite? That stuff is pretty cool too.
It wont tank until Mon.
The market will not crash, yet, more than likely there will be a correction of 5-10% over a few week period like last year, probably june or july. then the market will cruise back and have a decent but probably not spectacular year. corp balance sheets are very good. earning has outpaced stock appreciation. trailing pe ratios are better on us stocks than they were at the bottom of the mkt 5 years ago. there's ton's of liquidity out there. lots of stock buy backs. global economy is humming, outsourcing is keeping inflation in check. yes our economy is slowing but it looks like jobs mkt is still very strong which will support the consumer. if the feds do lower rates there's your catalyst. us lg caps, large european co's and select emerging will lead. timing the mkt is a fools game.
You can totally tell what cletus has been shoppin for :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Annnnnnndddddddd, YAHTZEE!
Here we are, July 26th. DJIA from 14,000 to 13,500 in the last few days.
Crash? No. Correction? Who knows. Below 13K? No, I was wrong about that.
But drop? Yup, 500 points, sure enuff.
Here's a snippet from an article I read...
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TO MANY investors, hedge funds are impenetrable "black boxes", moving in mysterious ways and holding indecipherable positions. This week, however, investors in two troubled Bear Stearns hedge funds were given a peek under the lid. What they were shown was black indeed.
Both funds had invested heavily in securities backed by subprime mortgages. Suffering steep losses in May and June, one was saved only by a $1.6 billion loan from its parent company last month. A Bear Stearns team has been "working diligently" ever since to tot up the losses. On July 17th it admitted that there "is effectively no value left" in one of the funds, and "very little value left" in the other.
it's going to bounce then continue down 10%, then rally again. call it a correction, unless the market closes down 500+ today... then then we will hit 10% really quick. worse case is 15% 11,900Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Until 2 weeks ago, the Russell 2000 was up 8.7% YTD.
It now sits at 1.1%.
And Apple certainly crushed expectations. Next quarter will be even higher when you factor in $300MM in sales from the iphone and $100MM in kickbacks from AT&T ($150-200 + $9 per month for 24 months * 150k new subscribers).
This is awesome!
A girl who's good with numbers Grrrrrr!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanDip4All
I'd let you play with my digits.
At least the market is still up since this thread started.
Chance had it that I actually sold some of my holdings yesterday :biggrin:
Hope you bought them back todayQuote:
Originally Posted by runethechamp
are you seriously calling this the bottom? if so, why?Quote:
Originally Posted by CUBUCK
I hope you were positioned!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este