Most teachers work way more than 1500 hours. Go try it out for a year and then tell us that $43k is fair for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
But that’s a whole nother thread.
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Most teachers work way more than 1500 hours. Go try it out for a year and then tell us that $43k is fair for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
But that’s a whole nother thread.
MI and MN are big states with a whole range of weather. It’s rarely humid where I am, and I don’t think we saw [emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]] this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles;[emoji[emoji6[emoji640
Stay away, of course. No mountains and such. Bad. Etc.
My oldest is in kindergarten now and I’m continually amazed at the quality of people that work at that school for not much money.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
$43k for a teacher is criminal.
That's really cool you recognize that [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
Having been married to a life long teacher I've heard many scenarios with regard to public and private schools and the teachers within. Definitely can not paint with a broad brush when discussing teachers and schools. There are many incredible teachers out there putting in 50+ hrs a week while in session, but certainly others just punching the clock and should be fired or choose a different career.
Of course we all know jabronis in the business world that just punch a clock and get paid double or triple what a teacher makes yet somehow maintain their job.
You live in a different country altogether, man... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mustonen
My dad pays 25k/year in property tax as an Ag assessed property. Without that it would easily be 40k+ per year.
People in Princeton and nearby Hopewell (where I lived from the early 90s till I left for college) are paying 50-60k/year in prop tax for 1/3 acre lots with normal houses.
NJ always has and always will be one of the greatest long cons in history. Yeah yeah good tomatoes and corn and the shore blah blah
I have lived next to a school for a large portion of my life, and there is no way in hell most are clocking over 1500. The parking lot is universally empty before 7:45am and again by 2:45pm every single day.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
That does not short change the work they do, and that they should be paid well, but you need to be realistic about the workload. Up here in my rural NH school district, the average salary is over 80k a year. That is for 185 contracted working days. They get 5 personal days to use out of those 185 also.
Thats 1295 hours per the union contract not including the personal days where you can actually verify their work. There is no way they are clocking an additional 700+ to get to 2k hours at home. Personally I don't think I could handle 200 hours dealing with 20+ kids so they deserve every penny but it is hard to justify taxing the other working stiffs in the town more so they can work significantly less. Very few teachers could go bang hammers or work 12 hour nursing shifts 50 weeks a year either so that works both ways.
^yeah, teachers never work at home. grading papers. creating lesson plans.
Yeah - I've heard tell that once they leave the parking lot, they leave the job behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMega
:rolleyes:
We have a family next door whose kid is a couple weeks younger than ours, both parents are middle school teachers. We basically raise our kids together, and i think i have pretty good insight into their work lives/schedules. They certainly do work more than 1500 hours. And they certainly do spend time in the evenings grading papers/tests, and preparing for the next day. That said, the leave the house at 7:30 and are home by 4 each day... and will put in an hour or so of work at home a couple times per week. They effectively work a 40 hour week (45 during a big week)... and then are off for 3 months in the summer, with 2-3 week+ long breaks during the school year along with random federal holidays off that normal folks dont get off. They work quite a bit less than pretty much any other full time job i can think of- and that is one of the big, big perks.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMega
That said, they have incredibly important jobs that at times can difficult and trying on their nerves/patience. I think both cops and teachers are underpaid for the jobs they do, which inturn results in the overall quality of workers being lower than it should be given the importance of their job.
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Originally Posted by Conundrum
"Conspriacy theorists" are batting 1000 in the padded room since 2020. To any rational mind that should trigger some introspection when parroting MSM nonsense, but not this group. LOL.
It's fucking crazy to think what people are willing to pay to live there. I moved to Savannah five years ago and there is a lot I don't like about it but it is pretty affordable. Property taxes are under $2000.00, cheap gas, when I bought the price per sq ft was a real bargain and housing prices have gone way up due to Mitsubishi, JCB, and the big electric car plant they are building. The biggest issue is Im a thousand miles away from anything worth doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
Not sure if things have changed but my folks were both teachers. Definitely worked more hours than when their cars were parked in the school parking lots. My mom taking night and summer school to earn masters degrees necessary to work in special ed. Like my dad farming all summer instead of taking three months off so they could make ends meet. Both parents coaching and leading extracurriculars for the meager pay. Or my dad driving school buses for team sports or the local rafting outfitter shuttles because he had his CDL and the extra money helped.
That is not what I said. I'm sure they work a bit at home, but 700 hours worth over a 9 month school year? No way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMega
Straight to the bar!Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
Ok. Appreciate you laying that out. Still though, what's bizarre is how in an industry that claims to barely be scraping by, executive compensation is simultaneously off the charts. Look at AIG CEO, Peter Zaffino. Dude made about $75 MILLION in 2022, or 894 times the median salary of his company. Makes you wonder if these companies could benefit from trimming some of the fat up top. I'm with USAA and I was floored when they gave the CEO a 68% pay increase from one year to the next (shot up to 8.1MM) right when hiking up all of our rates. And this was on the heels of them having a particularly bad "loss" one year. Sooooo, let me get this straight. Have a terrible performance and get a monstrous compensation increase out of the deal? Par for the course in the C-Suite these days I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
Even if the math is what it is, surely you can understand the optics of such things.
To be fair, substitute teacher was a favorite past time of alcoholics in my town. Low expectations/committment, if you do show up its just turn the lights off and turn a movie on, and then you're back to the bar by 3pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
MY buddy told me it took him the 1st 10 days of summer holidays just to come down from teaching the rest of the year
to the wanker who sez yeah they get all that time off and only work 9-3 I like to say
yeah but the part of the job you are forgetting is that they have to look after YOUR kids
My 100-level English prof told us, "if any of you want your final paper back, I'll be at [name of hotel dive bar] from 6 to 8."Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Extra wtf points: none of us were of legal drinking age. But that didn't stop us.
So pay them the same hourly wage as a daycare worker? I dont think they'd like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Teachers need to be paid well enough to be able to live in or near the community in which they teach. They are vital members of a community entrusted with teaching and reinforcing values, social skills, and academics to our kids (the next generation). If a school district cannot find qualified candidates to teach, then the pay needs to go up to attract them.
I don't think I sad that ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
buddy also said class size was a big issue, the difference in work load between having 30 kids and 36 kids was huge
I think teachers work pretty hard for their paychecks
Or pay day care workers more. Wife is a retired teacher. Daughter got her teaching degree but worked in day care. She quit after a year. Loved the kids. It wasn't the money. Could not stand when the parents gave her shit if she disciplined their kid.
Go try it out for a year and come back and tell me that $43k is fair because you get a couple months "off" a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
HS principal in Sac City base pay is $217k. Lots of opportunity for bonus pay too.
A “substitute” principal is paid $900 a day.
Teacher health care is typically 100% paid unlike typical corporate job. Government jobs aren’t what they used to be. Many pay well and also have guaranteed retirement benefits.
Teachers usually have a prep period to do things like grade papers and other admin tasks.
Some of it is due to regulation that does not allow property specific rates. It lumps regions into rate bases. It’s one thing California is working on to mitigate rate risesQuote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
Middle school teachers in the seattle area with ~10 years experience make a little over 100k. For the amount of hours they work, and benefits they recieve, i think that is pretty fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
But if you go to rural washington, i would imagine the pay is half that. It seems to really depend on location, how fairly teachers are compensated.
Life ain’t fair. Do your ~ years of service and have health care and pension for life. California provides full healthcare coverage between retirement and 65. So that’s like an extra $1500 a month in benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
I went with a teacher who would max out the visa cards thru the summer, she would just get them paid off by the next summer in time to max out that summer, a repeating cycle it would seem
In high school the footbal coach/ PE teacher was seen driving a cab in the summer
OTOH hand the math teacher played money markets and lived in the most expensive part of Vancover, buddy would give us H-Work but he never wrote down the answers he would stand in front of the class and do complex equations in his head
Guy I play golf with is Elementary school principal. Drives Porsche Carrera, ski boat, country club membership. Lots of Firefighters and other public works employees at the country club too.
I coached HS football for quite a few years. 1-6 pm every day for three months. Paid between $1200-$1500.
Was like that in most districts 30 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Easily. When my wife was still teaching she graded papers and made lesson plans from 5-10pm every night. It was out of control, and it's no wonder she doesn't teach anymore. From an hourly basis, almost any job in a ski town paid more, even with years of experience and a Master's.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
my neighbor told me he would grade papers by throwing the pile down the basement stairs
the stuff that stayed on the first stairs were the " A "s and the stuff at the bottom were the " F "s
I believe teachers can get paid on a 12 month basis even tho they only work 10 months
or drive a cab
I taught high school and never found the extra hours to be that burdensome. What made the job hard was classroom management. That shit will age you prematurely. I quit after a couple years.
Friend of mine retired from the Montana school system after 30 years and now is in California working 5 years to get vested in that state's teacher retirement system. He won multiple state championships as a football coach and is now coaching in CA too.
We've all read your posts, there is no reason not to believe this. Your teachers most likely put in very few total hours. ;) (kidding)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
It is crazy how much variation there is in teacher pay...some states/regions/districts pay shit compared to the local COL, while others pay well above the local median income (plus solid benefits).
E.g. in Chicago, a 2-teacher household where both teachers have a masters/additional education (which the district will pay tuition for) and 10 years of experience will earn about $200k (plus probably $30-50k in pension value and other benefits). That's about 3x the median household income in the city.
Now...a lot of those teachers teach in grittier low performing schools which is incredibly taxing, but a lot of them teach in pretty normal schools too (and some of the selective enrollment schools are consistently the best in the state). I think that's a pretty fair deal and can provide a very nice life for a family.
Two teachers with the same qualifications/experience doing the same job in Tampa would earn 50k a piece with an only OK benefit package. Maybe that still puts them above the local median household income...but not by a lot....which doesn't really seem right for someone with advanced degrees who you trust to play a large role in your child's development...
My 10th grade math teacher drove a cab on the weekends. His "regular" car was also a former cab.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
He also looked and dressed like Mr Kotter (but this was in the 80s, so his style was a little dated)
l asked a younger bud what he is teaching and he said " 100% music this year but it doesnt really matter what I am teaching the issues are always the same "Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Here's my beef with teacher pay, or rather the lack thereof relative to property taxes. If my school district taxes go up 10% every single year like clockwork, then why aren't teachers getting comparable bumps in pay? Surely their cost of living is going up all the same.
I want to know where TF all my tax money is going, cuz it sure ain't teacher salaries!!! My property tax burden has skyrocketed over 50% since I moved here. It's only capped at 10% annually due to homestead, but those appraiser dickheads keep tryna blow past that, and EVERY year, I have to protest and go through a whole appeals process, with my finally going through an ARB hearing where we finally "settle" on said 10%.
I know the entire country is going through the same asinine increases in prop taxes too, so nothing unique to me by any stretch. Family in MT was telling me how bad it's getting even there, and now they're getting WAY more aggressive. Like utilizing satellite photos or drones to squeeze every last nickel out of them as they noticed some improvements made around the property. MT never used to be like that. Even in Gallatin County, they were pretty relaxed with me. Now they're going hogwild. :(