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You are not wrong. Tourists don't bother me. They are easy to predict. Know it all second homeowners that think they know what's best for the place are a bit much but also pretty easy to deal with. It's all part of it.Quote:
This thread is fucking hilarious.
I live in a resort town/seasonal area and can’t stand the tourists. Yet I’m going to brag about my triple digit equity gain.
Tax haven with a full size airport and a good location, what do you expect?Quote:
Originally Posted by rideit
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everyone needs a boogy man to explain why they don't have shit or can't get shitQuote:
Originally Posted by oldnew_guy
so STR is that boogie man right now
a solid balance is needed where I live the local gov't run by bleeding heart people who have never worked a day in their life have done everything to ban short term rentals
note to idiots we live in a tourist town we all depend of toursts for our living and high quality of living standards
if you hate tourists move get the fuck out
don't bitch
pack yoru shit up and move back to some shitty little town where you don't have to deal
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Originally Posted by fastfred
aw fer fucks sake Fred, ya could’ve bought two trailer parks in Plattsburgh with that kind of fucking cash. ya gotta learn to listen to your advisors, son.
tgrz collective could’ve lived off them trailer park stories for fuckin’ years….
fuckin’ a fact.
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Originally Posted by fastfred
Fredz ya sound just like that guy I know who rents out a windowless 10x15 storage shed in his junkyard for $800/mo.
You two old farts should get together for an "I got mine!" circlejerk.
duh
I am
was making 8.50 an hr and rooms were running 400 a month when I was a young man
it was a struggle
my 730 dollar a month mortagage is killing me but I need it for the write off
I love tourists
ski towns shouldn't be easy to live in then every fuck face would live here
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Originally Posted by fastfred
Yeah, you definitely sound just like him. You're like the ski town version of "old economy steve".
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Well in the county next door, its a dirty free for all with more freedom. Mostly its just about the same. STRs are just one of the issues.
National Association of Realtors is BY FAR the largest political lobby. Pay attention to the letters below.
NRA 2022 political lobbying budget: $2.5M
NAR 2022: $81.7M
The next largest behind NAR is the US Chamber of Commerce, then Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America, at only $29M.
https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-...ers?cycle=2022
That’s a pretty good point. Sig worthy too.Quote:
Originally Posted by fastfred
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by neckdeep
Thinking this is directed at my post...you missed every point but maybe because I suck at writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiballs
Don't hate tourists...in the town where I live, I'll always be thought of as a tourist even though I was born in this tiny state. Although I'm good friends with a lot of non-skiing locals, I'm still an outsider. I'm ok with that.
Not bragging about any equity gains because equity gains are only realized when selling. And I clearly said I ain't selling. If the market crashes (it's heading that way right now here) my potential equity gain will go back to zero. Not taking the blame for that one. You can't fucking read.
The real issue is the lack of housing for the locals. Assholes from Greenwich or Westchester buy up every property near ski areas (many sight unseen) around here and turn what used to be affordable housing for local folk into STRs and never set foot in the area. On the upside, I have a local friend that quit bartending to run her own STR cleaning service. She's making bank.
hell yeahQuote:
Originally Posted by neckdeep
my hoa does not allow accessory apts or dwellings
otherwise yes I'd turn my shed into a a tiny home and rent it for $1,200 a month
the same local gov't ten years ago fought homeowners left and right over accessory apts it was a game you had to play to make an accessory apt not an accessory apt
today the clown car county commisionar cows are now throwing tax dollars at homeowners to create accessory apts in their homes
30 years ago the local gov't shot down and made it so difficult for any hotel developer to build a hotel that most of them just walked away after getting stonewalled by planning
so we end up where we are today by poor planning and continued with gov't help uncontrolled growth
thats what we have today in scummit county even though the deny that business owners run the gov't here and business owners want money
resort towns can't get out of their own way
That forest service guy meme leaves out he was probably making like 3 bucks an hour back in then. Housing is expensive, always has been, always will be, because literally everyone needs it. There have also always been second home owners, and for decades, that system worked ok.
But fuck the WFH transplants or STR investors who fuck with the market economics, bringing out of market wages into the realm (while refusing to pay a living wage to the trades or local service industries), then try and act all virtuous and talk about the affordable housing problem because it took them 45 minutes to get their elk steaks served or bitch about the cleaner blowing off their 2 hour window to flip their rental on a Saturday when it snows.
AMI went up 30% here to $77k due to WFH. Now that's messing with rents and affordable housing eligibility since that's how they calculate them.
Nah, bro, I said nothing about converting it into a "tiny home" with actual fixtures. No need to expend any of your precious money. Be a real old economy Steve and gouge those Gen Z workers to rent an unpermitted, waterless storage shed. It's like a jail cell but with no toilet. You can add some dumpster quality furniture and tell yourself you are doing a real mitzvah.Quote:
Originally Posted by fastfred
yup blame WFH another good point out of the playbook for jaded locals who can't get what they want for nothingQuote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
WFH has been going on in Scummit county since I got here
the issues at hand
are popularity
uncontrolled growth (but if you put the brakes on it you end up getting Aspened)
Not really. And you know that. This place morphed from the anti-Jackson into Jackson Jr in less than a decade. Used to be, every September-October, a new crop of lifties, one season wonders and various eccentrics would roll into the Valley and they'd all be settled by ski season. In just 5 years, you simply cannot do that anymore and Targhee has to provide dorm rooms to get any seasonal workers. There used to be a seasonal and LTR rental market and Broulims hired locals. Now there is virtually zero LTRs and Broulims has to bus in its workers from 50 miles away. In 10 years, the same house that rented in the $1200 range now rents for $4000, if you can find it, have $12,000 to spare and pass the interview and background check.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
Dude, we are saying the same thing. When a WFH transplant comes in and says, hey that house is cheap as fuck, I'll toss on another 50k on the offer to seal the deal it causes problems to local market economics.
But I would probably disagree that Broulims hired locals. They've been bussing in momo kids from Rexburg and IF since they started.
Basically, ya'all are right. We all just have a different twist on reality but there will never be anything that looks like a single solution.
All I ask around here is for some transparency and honesty surrounding the state of things. I rally hard against those masking there own bullshit entirelment with a call for sympathy.
Last month I saw the waterworks come out from a Super Karen second homo about how an apartment building in her neighborhood would ruin her life with crime, traffic, unsavory dogs and so on. She's "painted wall and laid flooring" to make a better life for her family. Basically recruited a neighborhood who's brother is a retired Denver cop to provide testimony that the poors are a problem like this is Oakland. Hey, get fucked!
The reasons I'm passionate is I love this place. People are across the board, pretty fucking awesome. There is a crew of primo y primo that I've known forever. They mostly work cleaning and maintenance for a prop management company. My bestie. Is their boss. They get a free ski pass. 2 yrs ago, we rustled up a pile of equipment for them. Once every couple a weeks, we go out skiing for the afternoon. Nobody has more fun than us. I need more of that energy so I try to keep it around.
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My cousin who sells real estate and lives at Snoqualmie Pass told me the other day that sales to the WFH crowd have almost entirely dried up.
Stayed with a friend last week that owns 3 Air BnBs an hour from Jackson and says the same - bookings are down because remote workers are staying home (or not full time remote anymore and have to be in the office x amount of days a week now) or maybe they got fired from the massive round of tech layoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Also you guys have been talking about the same basic things about resort towns for endless pages for years - we get it.
So prices will be going down and more LTRs are gonna be available? Sweet! But when, should I sell how house now? What about increased competition for my business?
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I think this thread and the I-70 bitch thread are the top two TRG threads for recycled discussions. But what else are we gonna talk about?Quote:
Originally Posted by muted reborn
Srsly. No skiing and the trails are all fuckin' muddy right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Weeds are growing really well, though.
no shit. and my landlord expects me to, you know, actually pull the weeds. who's got time for that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
WTF? One of the reasons to rent is so you DON'T have to do that kind of bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
:D
sounds like you need a gardener
they can't afford to live hear to you gotta do it yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
we gen-xers arent the pull yourself up by the bootstrap crowd
we want everything handed to us cheap and easy
Yup, if lease made yard Danno's problem, get a gardener.
I appreciate the Rexburg-ites working as cashiers at Broulims. My wife and I have had the strangest interactions with them over the past few years, like truly bizarre behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
Speaking of, what do they do when the road is closed? Do they have a dormitory for them in the back somewhere?
My Tennant likes to garden so she buys all the stuff and plants, i think it gives her a sense of whatever gardeners find appealing so she doesnt trash the place, the opposite in fact she bought paint and did the whole basement but I had to subtract that from rentQuote:
Originally Posted by fastfred
Hanging out on TGR, whining that the internet is on rewind...so good.
New shit from mountain towns...let me think...this is hard
The bank takes an hour for lunch and closes at 4
City Market closed the deli counter
Parking lots are campgrounds and nobody tents it
People say they paddleboard but they just drift around on the lake
Granby is trying to be a tourist town
Kremmling is an expensive bedroom community of Summit County
So, yeah, not much
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In amongst all the whining there is a lot of good useful info in this thread, current real world stuff. That's why we all read it. (That and the fact that we secretly love the whining.)
There were a few blizardish days last winter where they preemptively closed early and bussed the entire store back to Rexburg before the road closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by zion zig zag
I'm not sure they have ever been stuck in Driggs overnight, but if they were I bet they would be able to crash in the gym at the LDS stake center building in Driggs.
I'd be interested to hear about your interactions. There are definitely some characters that work there. They come from a very different world compared to most present day Teton Valley residents and tourists.
I don't have a lease, just friendlords who look at me askance and say "please pull the weeds".Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
I rarely use an agent. Yes, there are some good ones out there, and they could certainly provide value in an unfamiliar market, but it's really not rocket science. It's actually a fairly rubber stamp process most of the time. If you've bought a few homes over the years, saving 3% can add up if you represent yourself. The NAR contracts are written in a way that Realtors are encouraged by the board (and their brokers) to let the contract stand on its own language, and only make changes or add clauses if really necessary. You can get the same State specific contract online or from most Realtors.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickwm21
The buyer's agent does most of the leg work by scrolling through the listings to find a list of houses to meet your needs and then chauffer you around to show them. Anyone could put together a similar list from Zillow/Realtor.com. The last couple houses we've bought, I've contacted the listing agents directly, scheduled the viewings, wrote up the contract and negotiated the deal (and I'm no genius). It's surprisingly easy and most buyers/listing agents have no problem reducing the price by the 3% buyer's agency commission as the seller still nets the same. If you aren't a licensed agent, you legally aren't able to get paid a commission in most states, but you can write in a 3% price reduction in lieu of it.
Outside of listing the home, the listing agent doesn't do a lot of leg work so if you call around, it's not hard to find someone that will list the property for 1% (vs the usual 3%) if you are doing all of the showings, open houses, etc. In the listing, you still need to offer 3% (or 2% at minimum) to the buyer's agent or they'll ignore your listing (even if it is the dream home they have the fiduciary responsibility to help their client find). Saving 3% on the purchase and at least 2% on the sale adds up in today's market. I can't say I'll never again use an agent as the seller, but as a buyer, I don't anticipate ever "paying" 3% to a buyer's agent again. It may not be for everyone, but it's gone really smooth for me representing myself in the last few deals.
I also think the 6% commission model needs to change given the cost of homes, and the access buyer's and seller's have to data. Maybe AI will play a role in the future.
AI already plays a role in descriptions. I wouldn't count on any cost savings being passed to the consumer. See NAR lobby above.
a 2015 registration date and ~150 posts across the forums and you think it's a bot?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcphee
Deleted. Sure sounded like a bot post