Retail? Psttt.....Smart money works remotely from the lodge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
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Retail? Psttt.....Smart money works remotely from the lodge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
They should absolutely be able to earn comfortably liveable wages and have a wonderful life outside work. And they can. It just wont be a 5 minute ebike ride from and Epic resorts chairlift. But the entitled people want to earn a comfortably liveable wage and have a wonderful life outside of work... but it also HAS to be in one of the most affluent desirable places in the world. That last part is what smells of entitlement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermoon
If you can only find nature and beauty in an area with Ikon and Epic, then you aren't in it for the nature and beauty. Plenty of affordable places with great beauty and wonderous nature.
Worse. He's a Lumbergh.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
How many kids do you have? Or how about how many kids do you know and I mean really know at 17, 18, 19yrs that are willing to move to the middle of nowhere (and yeah, I-da-ho is the middle of nowhere if your some random kid in NH) away from their family to work, rent, and live for a year just to get instate tuition? Can it be done? Sure. Only by an extreme minority. Hence, not reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
I actually know a number of kids who have done exactly that, including my good friend's son who is graduating this year. He's moving to AZ to work and (heaven forbid) going to community college to get residency and save money so he can go to ASU. My niece did the same thing moving from AZ to UT.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
Just because it doesn't happen in your friend group in NE doesn't mean it doesn't happen regularly. I didn't think it was a western thing, but maybe it is?
I’d suggest that if a state’s system of public colleges is unaffordable to it’s citizens, then the state is failing is citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatty
He's actually going from ID to AZ. He can afford to stay home and go to at a state school. That's missing the point. He wants to go to AZ and made a plan so he can make it work financially. You know, weighing tradeoffs and figuring out options so he can live and go to school where he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong
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Originally Posted by simple
Ya, zillow is a wonderful resource, but not always reliable. And if you're in CO, you can't use any data after 6/30/2022, so present values are irrelevant.
Seattle and Steamboat have about equal median home prices at the moment (around $700k). But here's what Seattle's new public housing looks like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
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And here is Steamboat's at Brown Ranch:
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If housing prices in mountain towns is just as expensive as in the big city, I don't see how building sprawling, low level public housing will work out. The cost for each low income unit in Steamboat has to be ten times each unit as in Seattle. How is that sustainable? Mountain towns might have been able to get away with developing that way back when land was cheap, but now land is big city prices (without the big city wages to go with it).
None. A few.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
But really, "Poor kids go to work, poor kids go to war". How many kids join the military because that is their best option? I think entitlement and wealth disparity have already been mentioned. Bitching about the cost of in-state tuition but then saying a four year state university that would save a kid $50k for a degree but they have to work a year first in the the middle of "nowhere" is something someone who can afford to pay more but doesn't like it would do. Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm not trying to sell it, there's already plenty of people moving here. More bewildered that I'm out of reality when the school here is $50k cheaper than your in-state and there's 1,800 vert of lift served skiing 16 miles from campus that operates 12 hours a day for more than 100 days a year and we're discussing it on a ski forum. Kid just has to work 12 months first instead of going to college for 5-6 years because they spent the first 1-2 picking a major because they lacked adult life experience.
Quite a tangent...at least when fastfred leaves the trail it's about banging tourists...sorry. I'm not that interesting.
Has zero to do with my friend group. For the general population I don't see that as common place. Most kids, and certainly not all, are not mature enough to do a big move at 18yrs. My youngest possibly would have, but my oldest, no way. Moving one state away, especially in the west, is not a big deal. Moving a state or two away in the Northeast doesn't save you much $. So you know two kids and I know zero. Sample study done. Another problem solved on trgQuote:
Originally Posted by phatty
^As a native EC'er I've also never heard of anyone doing that. Not to say it hasn't been done, and actually sounds like a pretty good idea, but I wouldn't call it common by a long shot.
I thought that schools made it hard to get residency for undergrads if their out of state parents were still supporting them. Has that changed? Or are some schools easier and some harder?
And I too don't know anyone who has ever done that.
I was literally the only single person in my freshman college dorm who moved themselves in alone without their parents. This was in-state on-campus housing 23 years ago, and school was an 8-hr drive from my hometown and 3-4 hours for almost everyone else. So yeah, I'll agree that in 2023 very, very few kids are moving multiple states away, getting an apartment solo, and working a regular job for a year so they can maybe qualify for in-state tuition a year plus down the road.
Lots of states and schools out West have tuition reciprocity. Most people I went to high school with in Oregon went to either U of O, Montana, or Montana St all on in state tuition. But the rules are always changing and it varies by state and even sometimes school specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
I was able to establish in state residency to grad school after paying only one year of out of state tuition. No working requirement. I took summer school credits, which cost the same regardless of in or out of state and lived the requisite amount of time to establish residency by the end of summer (1.5 years in but only 1 of those on out of state rates). But I don't think the rules are as generous as they once were. This is the university choice thread, right?
Western University Exchange is one of those "reciprocity" programs. One of my kids took advantage of that when he went up to Montana State. It's not 1:1, but it sure helped. Not sure if there are others...Quote:
Originally Posted by altasnob
I moved to Montana from Wisconsin by myself, and without parents going with me, to go to college and establish residency for a year when I was 18. Never went home for summers and never understood why people would, they must have had family they liked or they didn't like full time jobs and wanted to fuck off all summer. I wasn't aware at the time what I was doing was rare.
New problems involve new ways of thinking. You can't bitch about the cost of 4 year college without considering the alternatives. You can't bitch about the cost of mountain town living without considering the alternatives.
Just because something isn't common and you don't know people that have done it doesn't make it a bad idea.
"You can't complain because you can do something that costs twice as much and is three times the work"Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
When I was at CU it was very difficult unless you were over 23 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
If you were under 23, you couldn't have any support from your parents including no parental health insurance, no financial support of any kind, etc.
There was one guy that I met in my entire time at CU that was able to establish residency for himself. He had a unique situation in that he had a falling out with his parents so he legitimately didn't have any support or even contact with them.
Maybe it has changed since then. I certainly hope so because my degree program at CU is now $64k per year for out of state students.
Looks like it is now $37k per year for in state students. What. The. Fuck?
I believe it is still that way in CO. If you are under 23 you can't receive any support. The health insurance thing might have changed though.
Getting in state tuition explicitly saves that person a substantial amount of money, at a minimum 50% and in many states substantially more. Definitely not "twice as expensive".
Careful with all that young and responsible stuff else they will throw you on Team Bootstraps. I have a friend group of parents with college age kids and the experiences and choices varies quite a bit. I will say that the whole idea of just going to a four year school to grow up seems pretty uncommon except for those with pretty deep pockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted reborn
But to bring it back to real estate, I know a bunch of 20 somethings living in places like Des Moines, Grand Junction, Laramie and so on that have purchased real estate, have good jobs and are generally enjoying life.
"No one wants to be a teacher."
Also, if you want to not be in a soulcrushing amount of debt you should take a year out of your life to avoid in state tuition on your way to that advanced degree so you can teach spoiled brats and have to deal with some lunatic parent ranting about culture war bullshit. Oh, and you won't be able to afford anything resembling the middle class lifestyle of 30 years ago.
I'm sure this is going to work out well for us.
Edit - I'm also curious about these people just moving to another state for residency. Are they getting a enrollment deferment or are they just banking on the fact that they will get into their selected institution?
Gap year seems like a good idea to me as someone who took a gap decade between degrees and found the second round much more fulfilling.
Super interesting* seeing the it's too crowded / people won't stop moving here / this place is changing / can you believe that guy didn't say hi to me camp evangelize the benefits of mobility.
*Not really.