Real Estate Crash thread

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Originally Posted by snapt

More often than not they ask for an ID when purchasing Olive oil or La Croix. Always makes em chuckle.

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Holy Shit, ha! That is crazy. I shopped at a Broulin's for the first time ever last week, in Alpine and Driggs, I thought the place was nice and regret not trying their in-house roast beef. I didn't know the place was weird until now.

I did have a somewhat weird experience of asking for a half a pound of cut Turkey. Guy couldn't tell the difference between ham and turkey and after he overly-confirmed I needed 1/2 pound 3-4 times - I got a full pound. But asking for ID for Olive Oil or La Croix is something else.

Fuck...lame grocery stores was almost the only thing the cool places had left.

And Cowboy Bars...but mostly it's what they don't have...stop lights, coffee shops, what else?

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Originally Posted by Kevo

King Soopers in Golden was my go to for staples for years. King Soopers was reasonably priced and never had expired food on the shelves. I'd argue that they were generally much better than Broulims.

I would usually try to buy produce and dairy products down the street at Natural Grocers. Natural Grocers was by far my favorite grocery store in Golden. Their produce was incredible and they had a solid selection of adventure snacks (stuff that you'd take out on a run or bike ride). I did a lot of shopping there.

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I was there a few weeks ago, and did not have that experience. I went upstairs to use the restroom, and it was like something out of the ‘80s.

Just wow. The public restrooms at a private business weren't to your standards. We'd all be better off if we could recalibrate to 80s expectations.

How Harmons...that's like the Snowbasin of Grocers. I'm partial to the Pizza and upstairs lounge at the Bluffdale location.

What's the poopin' scene like at the Jackson Smith's?

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Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles

Just wow. The public restrooms at a private business weren't to your standards. We'd all be better off if we could recalibrate to 80s expectations.

How Harmons...that's like the Snowbasin of Grocers. I'm partial to the Pizza and upstairs lounge at the Bluffdale location.

What's the poopin' scene like at the Jackson Smith's?

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I generally like to keep my expectations REALLY low when it comes to grocery and gas station restrooms. Never been disappointed save *one* time in Nowheresville, Arizona when I *REALLY* needed a restroom.

Silverthorne encased the Old Dillon Inn (old cowboy/dive bar) in glass and steel to protect it’s historical significance as having the most cocaine encrusted bathroom in northern summit county. They have yet to find anyone willing to open it back up though.

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Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles

Just wow. The public restrooms at a private business weren't to your standards. We'd all be better off if we could recalibrate to 80s expectations.

How Harmons...that's like the Snowbasin of Grocers. I'm partial to the Pizza and upstairs lounge at the Bluffdale location.

What's the poopin' scene like at the Jackson Smith's?

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It wasn’t so much the condition of the restrooms, but the condition of the myriad junkies and panhandlers scoping out the truck outside.

Ha...Trailerthorne certainly is turning into a world class rest stop. We were just talked the other day the the ski bum punks still won't go to the Club Car or Denos, the Cokies still kinda do there think and quit asking us to there parties years ago and the drunks either moved to Grand Lake or are dead/dying.

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Well the junkies and panhadlers in the city are a big part of increasing real-estate in mountain towns even though it's kinda on that list of shit we don't talk about...but yeah given the choice between shitty on the side walk or King Soops I know what I'd choose.

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Well if this is the grocery store thread, Crested Butte won't even have a grocery store starting Aug 18th. Clark's is already on the "don't restock the shelves" program. They say they'll reopen right before Christmas but that probably means March. This is going to suck. At least they'll probably double all the prices when it's all swanky and open again.

Also, I like the King Soopers in Golden.

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Originally Posted by goldenboy

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Also, I like the King Soopers in Golden.

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I'll tell you what, King S in general has *really* upped their cheese game in the last few years, which is MOST welcome. I can get Gorgonzola picante pretty much any time I want from their cheese deli.

man, I had a lot of drunken nights at the Ba. No coke in the bathroom, though.

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Originally Posted by rideit

It wasn’t so much the condition of the restrooms, but the condition of the myriad junkies and panhandlers scoping out the truck outside.

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Things did start to go pretty drastically downhill in terms of crime in Golden before we bailed. There was no crime in my fairly nice/ safe neighborhood for the first three years that I lived there, but then in 2020 My GF's car was broken into in my driveway (dude was a junky, and he was caught and arrested), multiple neighbors had their houses broken into so that thieves could steel truck and van keys and their Sprinters and F250s were never seen again. There was some kind of professional auto theft ring operating in the area.

I never ran into junkies or panhandlers at King Soopers, but I'm not at all surprised to hear that it is happening now. The Front Range is a hellscape of failed policy from both political extremes. Except for a single night in 2021, I've not been back since I left in 2020.

I am there a lot. (Four or five times a year). Even I have seen it change since ‘19. Some dudes tried breaking into my buddies house where I stay (arguably the best real estate in town), and he chased them to Littleton in his Chevy truck. Got the plate number, everything, but there wasn’t shit the cops could do. He got cameras and all of that shit now.
There still is nowhere else I would live in the Front Range proper.

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Originally Posted by Kevo

The Front Range is a hellscape of failed policy from both political extremes. Except for a single night in 2021, I've not been back since I left in 2020.

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Honestly curious, it seems like the same problems are rampant across the country (in urban or close-to-urban areas). Is the front range worse? I know people complain about Seattle, Portland, SF, etc, as all having bad problems that have accelerated dramatically in the last few years. Are there places that have handled the same thing well?

Clarks will probably just open up as a wine and beer store that sells some food.

That is what is happening at most mountain grocery stores. They are proportionally much smaller than city groceries and it feels like 20% of the shelf space is now alcohol.

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Originally Posted by Danno

Honestly curious, it seems like the same problems are rampant across the country (in urban or close-to-urban areas). Is the front range worse? I know people complain about Seattle, Portland, SF, etc, as all having bad problems that have accelerated dramatically in the last few years. Are there places that have handled the same thing well?

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Interest rates being too low for too long created massive appreciation in assets while the Federal reserve was busy looking at a basket of consumer goods claiming that there was no inflation. People on the bottom get pushed into homelessness and addiction. People in the middle get pushed into working poverty.

I see this as a nationwide problem that is exacerbated in Colorado because of TABOR, geographical limitations, water limitations and marketing budgets pushing the image of the "Colorado Lifestyle" to people who continually backfill the people who get economically forced out.

State, county and local municipal government entities have no realistic means of fixing the problems that they face in Colorado, so the problems get worse every year.

Hellscape….lol

My MIL blames the weed.

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Originally Posted by Kevo

Interest rates being too low for too long created massive appreciation in assets while the Federal reserve was busy looking at a basket of consumer goods claiming that there was no inflation. People on the bottom get pushed into homelessness and addiction. People in the middle get pushed into working poverty.

I see this as a nationwide problem that is exacerbated in Colorado because of TABOR, geographical limitations, water limitations and marketing budgets pushing the image of the "Colorado Lifestyle" to people who continually backfill the people who get economically forced out.

State, county and local municipal government entities have no realistic means of fixing the problems that they face in Colorado, so the problems get worse every year.

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I agree that it is a national problem that local govts can't possibly fix or even address well. On the state level, more could be done. But I am not convinced that the problems are worse in Colorado (though I frequently blame TABOR for lots of problems).

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Originally Posted by Danno

I agree that it is a national problem that local govts can't possibly fix or even address well. On the state level, more could be done. But I am not convinced that the problems are worse in Colorado (though I frequently blame TABOR for lots of problems).

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It always amuses me to hear TABOR defenders get all in a froth over shit like 17 "fee" line-items on an automobile registration. "That's just a tax by another name!"

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I can't say I dislike Brown Town more or less than any other Metro.

What would be an example of a better managed one and why?

Does the housing price data support outmigration from the cities?

Is this forcing WFH?

How are the non-metro gonna insulate themselves from this?

Fentenal?

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Originally Posted by hatchgreenchile

Hellscape….lol

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Seriously. I lived on the Front Range for 8 years and it's problems are real and don't seem to have gotten any better in the 17 years since I left for the mountains. But I grew up in Northern Virginia and that's a fucking Hellscape, you just don't always notice because there's so many trees to hide the sprawl. Every time we visit my Dad the thought of somehow getting from DC to his house, only 45 miles down I95, in less than 2 hours, makes me want to punch myself in the nuts. I'd take Denver over Northern VA any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

The only perspective we have is our own. I don't think most of people moving to Denver are fooled by the marketing, it's more that it generally is better than where they are coming from.

Then, if and when they have the means, they bounce to the mountains.

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Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles

The only perspective we have is our own. I don't think most of people moving to Denver are fooled by the marketing, it's more that it generally is better than where they are coming from.

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This.

A lot of you folks 'round here haven't lived somewhere TRULY shitty, and it shows.

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