Some of it is due to regulation that does not allow property specific rates. It lumps regions into rate bases. It’s one thing California is working on to mitigate rate risesQuote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
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Some of it is due to regulation that does not allow property specific rates. It lumps regions into rate bases. It’s one thing California is working on to mitigate rate risesQuote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
Middle school teachers in the seattle area with ~10 years experience make a little over 100k. For the amount of hours they work, and benefits they recieve, i think that is pretty fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
But if you go to rural washington, i would imagine the pay is half that. It seems to really depend on location, how fairly teachers are compensated.
Life ain’t fair. Do your ~ years of service and have health care and pension for life. California provides full healthcare coverage between retirement and 65. So that’s like an extra $1500 a month in benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
I went with a teacher who would max out the visa cards thru the summer, she would just get them paid off by the next summer in time to max out that summer, a repeating cycle it would seem
In high school the footbal coach/ PE teacher was seen driving a cab in the summer
OTOH hand the math teacher played money markets and lived in the most expensive part of Vancover, buddy would give us H-Work but he never wrote down the answers he would stand in front of the class and do complex equations in his head
Guy I play golf with is Elementary school principal. Drives Porsche Carrera, ski boat, country club membership. Lots of Firefighters and other public works employees at the country club too.
I coached HS football for quite a few years. 1-6 pm every day for three months. Paid between $1200-$1500.
Was like that in most districts 30 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Easily. When my wife was still teaching she graded papers and made lesson plans from 5-10pm every night. It was out of control, and it's no wonder she doesn't teach anymore. From an hourly basis, almost any job in a ski town paid more, even with years of experience and a Master's.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
my neighbor told me he would grade papers by throwing the pile down the basement stairs
the stuff that stayed on the first stairs were the " A "s and the stuff at the bottom were the " F "s
I believe teachers can get paid on a 12 month basis even tho they only work 10 months
or drive a cab
I taught high school and never found the extra hours to be that burdensome. What made the job hard was classroom management. That shit will age you prematurely. I quit after a couple years.
Friend of mine retired from the Montana school system after 30 years and now is in California working 5 years to get vested in that state's teacher retirement system. He won multiple state championships as a football coach and is now coaching in CA too.
We've all read your posts, there is no reason not to believe this. Your teachers most likely put in very few total hours. ;) (kidding)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
It is crazy how much variation there is in teacher pay...some states/regions/districts pay shit compared to the local COL, while others pay well above the local median income (plus solid benefits).
E.g. in Chicago, a 2-teacher household where both teachers have a masters/additional education (which the district will pay tuition for) and 10 years of experience will earn about $200k (plus probably $30-50k in pension value and other benefits). That's about 3x the median household income in the city.
Now...a lot of those teachers teach in grittier low performing schools which is incredibly taxing, but a lot of them teach in pretty normal schools too (and some of the selective enrollment schools are consistently the best in the state). I think that's a pretty fair deal and can provide a very nice life for a family.
Two teachers with the same qualifications/experience doing the same job in Tampa would earn 50k a piece with an only OK benefit package. Maybe that still puts them above the local median household income...but not by a lot....which doesn't really seem right for someone with advanced degrees who you trust to play a large role in your child's development...
My 10th grade math teacher drove a cab on the weekends. His "regular" car was also a former cab.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
He also looked and dressed like Mr Kotter (but this was in the 80s, so his style was a little dated)
l asked a younger bud what he is teaching and he said " 100% music this year but it doesnt really matter what I am teaching the issues are always the same "Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Here's my beef with teacher pay, or rather the lack thereof relative to property taxes. If my school district taxes go up 10% every single year like clockwork, then why aren't teachers getting comparable bumps in pay? Surely their cost of living is going up all the same.
I want to know where TF all my tax money is going, cuz it sure ain't teacher salaries!!! My property tax burden has skyrocketed over 50% since I moved here. It's only capped at 10% annually due to homestead, but those appraiser dickheads keep tryna blow past that, and EVERY year, I have to protest and go through a whole appeals process, with my finally going through an ARB hearing where we finally "settle" on said 10%.
I know the entire country is going through the same asinine increases in prop taxes too, so nothing unique to me by any stretch. Family in MT was telling me how bad it's getting even there, and now they're getting WAY more aggressive. Like utilizing satellite photos or drones to squeeze every last nickel out of them as they noticed some improvements made around the property. MT never used to be like that. Even in Gallatin County, they were pretty relaxed with me. Now they're going hogwild. :(
Those would be the ones with strong unions.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
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I am absolutely POSITIVE this is public information and all you have to do is go look for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
Assuming it's CalPERS. My sister-in-law was a member for about a decade. Once vested, it's a pretty good retirement package.
Another Montana-native friend of mine has been teaching in CA for 30 years. Makes 100 grand in the south SF bay area but still lives month to month and rents a place. He never got married and having only one income these days makes it tough to afford a house. Fortunately for him his dad left him and his sister 40 acres in the Missoula valley which is where he plans to retire. Although he loves California and says he will miss it a lot.
In the last 30 years there’s been opportunities to buy on a single income. Especially with a tenured job and income certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
I said I couldn't handle it and they deserve every penny, but that people need to be honest about how many hours they actually work. I also said most teachers couldn't hack a 12 hour shift nursing, which is equally important to society IMO, so this argument goes both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
Very few teachers are making 43k. That is entry level in some of the crappiest school districts in the country. Teachers here in NH are averaging double that in my district. Even in craptastic Idaho where I lived previously, teachers made more than that after 2 years, and that was only if they had just a bachelors and were brand new. Oh and they only have to teach 4 days a week now in my former Idaho district. Quit sensationalizing the argument.
You fucking tool, you started this whole argument. You’re just a clown talking shit you know nothing of.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
I'm not defending the delta between median salary vs exec comp at large companies. It is out of control.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
But your reasoning is flawed on the topic at hand. Peter Zaffino makes $75m at a company (AIG) that makes $10b in net income. AIG does more than insure residential homes. A good leader of a for-profit company probably looks at sectors of the company that are losing the company money and says we should do less of that unless it's something that is a short term blip. The long term outlook for insurance in the private homeowner space is quite bleak. The leader is protecting his company from bleeding money. That is why he makes $75m. PS-AIG's stock is up 30% YOY so he's probably doing something right for the shareholders and I doubt they mind his pay.
You do realize almost every public school teachers pay, hour requirements, and entire compensation package including benefits is public record right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
PS I literally quoted the person who started the argument.
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman