Most teachers work way more than 1500 hours. Go try it out for a year and then tell us that $43k is fair for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
But that’s a whole nother thread.
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Most teachers work way more than 1500 hours. Go try it out for a year and then tell us that $43k is fair for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
But that’s a whole nother thread.
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Originally Posted by skaredshtles;[emoji[emoji6[emoji640
Stay away, of course. No mountains and such. Bad. Etc.
My oldest is in kindergarten now and I’m continually amazed at the quality of people that work at that school for not much money.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
$43k for a teacher is criminal.
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Originally Posted by neufox47
Having been married to a life long teacher I've heard many scenarios with regard to public and private schools and the teachers within. Definitely can not paint with a broad brush when discussing teachers and schools. There are many incredible teachers out there putting in 50+ hrs a week while in session, but certainly others just punching the clock and should be fired or choose a different career.
Of course we all know jabronis in the business world that just punch a clock and get paid double or triple what a teacher makes yet somehow maintain their job.
You live in a different country altogether, man... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mustonen
My dad pays 25k/year in property tax as an Ag assessed property. Without that it would easily be 40k+ per year.
People in Princeton and nearby Hopewell (where I lived from the early 90s till I left for college) are paying 50-60k/year in prop tax for 1/3 acre lots with normal houses.
NJ always has and always will be one of the greatest long cons in history. Yeah yeah good tomatoes and corn and the shore blah blah
I have lived next to a school for a large portion of my life, and there is no way in hell most are clocking over 1500. The parking lot is universally empty before 7:45am and again by 2:45pm every single day.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
That does not short change the work they do, and that they should be paid well, but you need to be realistic about the workload. Up here in my rural NH school district, the average salary is over 80k a year. That is for 185 contracted working days. They get 5 personal days to use out of those 185 also.
Thats 1295 hours per the union contract not including the personal days where you can actually verify their work. There is no way they are clocking an additional 700+ to get to 2k hours at home. Personally I don't think I could handle 200 hours dealing with 20+ kids so they deserve every penny but it is hard to justify taxing the other working stiffs in the town more so they can work significantly less. Very few teachers could go bang hammers or work 12 hour nursing shifts 50 weeks a year either so that works both ways.
^yeah, teachers never work at home. grading papers. creating lesson plans.
Yeah - I've heard tell that once they leave the parking lot, they leave the job behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMega
:rolleyes:
We have a family next door whose kid is a couple weeks younger than ours, both parents are middle school teachers. We basically raise our kids together, and i think i have pretty good insight into their work lives/schedules. They certainly do work more than 1500 hours. And they certainly do spend time in the evenings grading papers/tests, and preparing for the next day. That said, the leave the house at 7:30 and are home by 4 each day... and will put in an hour or so of work at home a couple times per week. They effectively work a 40 hour week (45 during a big week)... and then are off for 3 months in the summer, with 2-3 week+ long breaks during the school year along with random federal holidays off that normal folks dont get off. They work quite a bit less than pretty much any other full time job i can think of- and that is one of the big, big perks.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMega
That said, they have incredibly important jobs that at times can difficult and trying on their nerves/patience. I think both cops and teachers are underpaid for the jobs they do, which inturn results in the overall quality of workers being lower than it should be given the importance of their job.
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Originally Posted by Conundrum
"Conspriacy theorists" are batting 1000 in the padded room since 2020. To any rational mind that should trigger some introspection when parroting MSM nonsense, but not this group. LOL.
It's fucking crazy to think what people are willing to pay to live there. I moved to Savannah five years ago and there is a lot I don't like about it but it is pretty affordable. Property taxes are under $2000.00, cheap gas, when I bought the price per sq ft was a real bargain and housing prices have gone way up due to Mitsubishi, JCB, and the big electric car plant they are building. The biggest issue is Im a thousand miles away from anything worth doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
Not sure if things have changed but my folks were both teachers. Definitely worked more hours than when their cars were parked in the school parking lots. My mom taking night and summer school to earn masters degrees necessary to work in special ed. Like my dad farming all summer instead of taking three months off so they could make ends meet. Both parents coaching and leading extracurriculars for the meager pay. Or my dad driving school buses for team sports or the local rafting outfitter shuttles because he had his CDL and the extra money helped.
That is not what I said. I'm sure they work a bit at home, but 700 hours worth over a 9 month school year? No way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMega
Straight to the bar!Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
Ok. Appreciate you laying that out. Still though, what's bizarre is how in an industry that claims to barely be scraping by, executive compensation is simultaneously off the charts. Look at AIG CEO, Peter Zaffino. Dude made about $75 MILLION in 2022, or 894 times the median salary of his company. Makes you wonder if these companies could benefit from trimming some of the fat up top. I'm with USAA and I was floored when they gave the CEO a 68% pay increase from one year to the next (shot up to 8.1MM) right when hiking up all of our rates. And this was on the heels of them having a particularly bad "loss" one year. Sooooo, let me get this straight. Have a terrible performance and get a monstrous compensation increase out of the deal? Par for the course in the C-Suite these days I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
Even if the math is what it is, surely you can understand the optics of such things.
To be fair, substitute teacher was a favorite past time of alcoholics in my town. Low expectations/committment, if you do show up its just turn the lights off and turn a movie on, and then you're back to the bar by 3pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
MY buddy told me it took him the 1st 10 days of summer holidays just to come down from teaching the rest of the year
to the wanker who sez yeah they get all that time off and only work 9-3 I like to say
yeah but the part of the job you are forgetting is that they have to look after YOUR kids
My 100-level English prof told us, "if any of you want your final paper back, I'll be at [name of hotel dive bar] from 6 to 8."Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Extra wtf points: none of us were of legal drinking age. But that didn't stop us.
So pay them the same hourly wage as a daycare worker? I dont think they'd like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Teachers need to be paid well enough to be able to live in or near the community in which they teach. They are vital members of a community entrusted with teaching and reinforcing values, social skills, and academics to our kids (the next generation). If a school district cannot find qualified candidates to teach, then the pay needs to go up to attract them.
I don't think I sad that ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
buddy also said class size was a big issue, the difference in work load between having 30 kids and 36 kids was huge
I think teachers work pretty hard for their paychecks
Or pay day care workers more. Wife is a retired teacher. Daughter got her teaching degree but worked in day care. She quit after a year. Loved the kids. It wasn't the money. Could not stand when the parents gave her shit if she disciplined their kid.
Go try it out for a year and come back and tell me that $43k is fair because you get a couple months "off" a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
HS principal in Sac City base pay is $217k. Lots of opportunity for bonus pay too.
A “substitute” principal is paid $900 a day.
Teacher health care is typically 100% paid unlike typical corporate job. Government jobs aren’t what they used to be. Many pay well and also have guaranteed retirement benefits.
Teachers usually have a prep period to do things like grade papers and other admin tasks.